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Well no matter what, this will be a key issue for both parties and from the polls and comments on most forums, most agree with Rudd...

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Well no matter what, this will be a key issue for both parties and from the polls and comments on most forums, most agree with Rudd...
Yep. Its all about winning the voters. But time will tell if its a good policy.

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Well there is a very old adage " countries get the Governments they deserve" and Australia is about to learn the wisdom of that with the 'Refugee issue' determining govt for the foreseeable future, rather than policy discussions about the real issues facing the country such as competitiveness, innovation, industrialisation, modernising industry and education, sorting out the governing of the country vis a vis the State governments and sorting out labour relations so that they reflect 21st century realities and confronting monopolies and protectionism.

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I really wish people would stop saying that Australia is no longer settling refugees in Australia. Australia will settle 20,000 refugees increasing to 27,000 refugess. This change in policy is simply about Australia choosing to process refugees that are in the camps or adjusting an existing Visa rather than from people who pay money for the Jakarta - Xmas Tsland boat ticket. It is about processing applications in an orderly way.

The people who want to buy a ticket also have the option of applying at the nearest embassy as do the other 250,000 migrants who emmigrate each year to Australia. People who jump the line have no place in Australian society. Try and jump the line at the pub or at a bus stop and all hell will break loose.

Australian people are a kind lot as evidenced by its Immigration intake and Australian people can also be naive for many reasons as evidenced by the soft touch of giving the benefit of the doubt in favour of aslyum seekers. But the world is split up into different countries where freedom of movement of people is not yet a reality because of Nationalism, Religion and whatever. The reality is that as long as the world have artificial lines called borders and documents restricting moving of people (passports) then Australia cannot continue to have an open border where almost every applicant gets to stay. It would destroy the integrity of the existing immigration system.

When a relative in Melbourne sends money to the people smuggler overseas in exchange for a ferry ticket to Xmas Island rather than lodging an application like everyone else - then that is jumping the line - simple!


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G'Day everyone....interesting article about asylum seekers

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Zama, that is a GREAT article. Love it. Thanks for sharing.

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Its fine to be against the problem and I am not sure this is the best solution what Rudd has proposed, but the Greens & others haven't proposed any real/practical counter solutions. If you take a look at the Greens policy, here it is:
Immigration and Refugees | Australian Greens

Its is very broad. It includes: 1) increasing humanitarian quota, 2) ending offshore processing and 3) resettlement processing.

The increasing of the quota I agree with 100%. But, to what? What is an adequate number? 30,000? 40,000? 100,000? Open gate?. The last one I imagine is what they really want and if we are to abide to the letter of the law to the UN Convention its probably what is should be. But, I am pretty sure we would be the only developed country in the world that had that one and its not practical. The cost and national security risk would be astronomical.

Allowing asylum seekers to live in the community until processed I dont support, its a national security risk (ie you could have terrorists plotting and carrying out attacks which havent even completed any form of check before living in).

Greens also want guaranteed processing completed within 30 days (ie health, security checks etc). How is that possible when a large majority of asylum seekers arrive without IDs and often dont want to even help in being identified? We know from going through visas processes how long it takes from some countries to obtain this information and without the assistance and everything visa applicants prepare, I can understand how the health, character and background checks would take months and in some cases years.

Free health, legal, social security etc. I know a lot already have access to this. In my opinion asylum seekers should not have access to free legal advice. Why is that necessary? Their rights can be documented and read to them but I dont agree they should have the option of any form of coaching which may mean economic migrants are incorrectly granted humanitarian visas.

I actually think we need to completely stamp out the people smuggling for three primary reasons:
1) Its a totally unfair system and way of gaining asylum in to Australia. Despite what many have said there is actually a queue of sorts (at the UN camps) and although not everyone perhaps has access, there is a lot more people that can access the camps than can make the journey through various countries, afford to stay in Malaysia/Indonesia in the mean time and then pay the thousands of dollars to get on the boats.
2) its it will save lives at sea;
3) its an illegal business and in no way should we be encouraging its use as an option to enter the country, where there are people making big money from the most fragile

I would also propose increasing our refugee take by 50% to double but through the UN camps (if I had to put a number on it).

As a side note, in response to the damage caused at Nauru (the $60m) I think I am absolutely disgusted. Asylum seekers being in the camp and the processing delayed in no way justifies that action. The problem is (and if you have spent time in 3rd world countries you will understand) is that the rule of law is either non-existent or not important in many of these countries. People are actually accustomed to breaking the law when things don't go their way (I see it here in Argentina every day). Anyone that breaks the law in those camps should immediately fail the character checks.

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As a side note, in response to the damage caused at Nauru (the $60m) I think I am absolutely disgusted. Asylum seekers being in the camp and the processing delayed in no way justifies that action. The problem is (and if you have spent time in 3rd world countries you will understand) is that the rule of law is either non-existent or not important in many of these countries. People are actually accustomed to breaking the law when things don't go their way (I see it here in Argentina every day). Anyone that breaks the law in those camps should immediately fail the character checks.
Its true the delay in processing does not justify their actions, However I don't agree with you on the points that the "rule of law is either non-existent or not important in many of these countries. People are actually accustomed to breaking the law when things don't go their way"
You make it sound as though people enjoy breaking the law, but you forget about the root cause of these people taking the law in their own hands. Its because of a few corrupt and selfish individuals who manage to manipulate the systems in their favor. For those poor people even if they present their case its going no where hence turning to rioting with the hope of being heard because. People who have nothing to lose are very dangerous !!..But of course there are still a small percentage of people with no proper agenda but just trying to take advantage of the situation .

Have a read on this article - quite interesting

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politi...723-2qhie.html


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Zamma you are correct in a way. But law breaking is due to various factors, including lack of enforcement. I guess I was just trying to highlight the fact that in Australia nothing justifies breaking the law and in no way is it tolerated (subject to self defence and a cpl of exceptions!). It's an important distinction to be made and something I always reiterate to my girlfriend!

You have to link me the article you are talking about I can't see it?!

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