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Old 07-17-2013, 07:39 AM
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The first fleet were "boat people".

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The fact that 90% of boat people are granted visas does not mean they are a genuine refugee. Hat it means is that they have thrown away their Id and have a good cover story. Diac does checks on them but how can they prove or disprove their stories when they come from countries that don't have electronic records like us, so no way to check records or fingerprints. So consequently they can't be disproved so they are allowed to stay.

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I work for a law firm and I have a number of diac Brisbane workers who are my conveyancing clients so don't be calling me a liar either. These are facts from people who work directly with these lying rich queue jumpers

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Yes - It will affect the amount of refugees australia sponsors in from the UNHCR refugee camps from around the world. To date, no application from these camps will be looked at for the next three years as the people who bought their tickets in Jakarta and jumped on the boats are getting the visa quotas.


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There are so many strong opinions about this... but where's the answer? I've spent a lot of time thinking and I have nothing. I'd love to hear ideas about a solution that accounts for border protection and human rights. This is a genuine request. How can we fix the system?

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The first fleet were "boat people".
I resent that comment. The first fleet people were FORCED to Australia on boats and treated as slaves for a minimum of a further 7 years....a detention camp would of been heaven for them.

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This might be a long shot but call me the next Tony Abbott you see..
I would love for this whole refugee arrivals on boat be stopped completely.
It is getting too dangerous and expensive for Australia and for the refugees and economic migrants travelling on those weak boats.

What Australia should do is to set up centres from where we have been receiving refugees and economic migrants for the past few years. The government has to then set up talks with these country officials and COME TO A DECISION. I know it is hard, but hell, THERE IS NO CONCRETE DECISION BEING TAKEN .
And the further we keep pushing this , Theres going to be more economic migrants taking advantage of this and the real refugees would lose their ability to flee their country and get to Australia for a safe haven.
The people smugglers will do their business as usual and as a strong government and a developed country at that, Australia should be unanimous in dealing with this situation as soon as possible. I know there is a lot of complications . But its not that bad where we are taking YEARS to solve the issue.
Thats not good governance. I wish this would end up a WIN WIN situation for everyone involved, excluding the economic illegal migrants and the people smugglers, because they're the ones abusing the system.

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There are so many strong opinions about this... but where's the answer? I've spent a lot of time thinking and I have nothing. I'd love to hear ideas about a solution that accounts for border protection and human rights. This is a genuine request. How can we fix the system?
Good question and I have some thoughts!

Work closely with countries (i.e Indonesia) where people smugglers are rife to increase penalties for those caught as well as task force type police teams policing them.

A national hotline for Australia and these countries where people can "dob in a smuggler" similar to what we have here where you can dob in an illegal immigrant.

Create more places in the humanitarian visa program. Currently there are only a few hundred of these visa's granted per year...

Working in the countries where the asylum seekers arrive from by boat to educate on the risks of getting on the boat, and the result at the other end - i.e. years in detention. Maybe even assist those interested in applying for visa's the right way. A dangerous job in many places I am sure, it's just a suggestion.

Just to name a few...

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Are you trying to imply I'm a liar?

I'm only writing what I was honestly told. I don't believe they are all 'economic refugees'....if you read my comment above, I believe the people smugglers are the main issue and that they are making things harder for refugees. They are not interested in your welfare, they simply make promises of a better life and leave out the great risk to people's lives in order to make money. This is the problem.
No I'm not saying you are a liar you may know someone on the inside in your instance but I'm sure some of the statements are on the level of my mate down the club said he'd heard from someone somewhere else,these assertions seem to always be made when refugees are mentioned and the assertions don't tally with the official figures.
I agree that the people smugglers are making profits from putting people in danger but its an exercise of the free market in meeting market demand from people with available cash.
I think that it would be interesting to establish where the money comes from and often it is from selling every possession people have to try what they know is a very risky enterprise out of desperation.
This seems to be borne out by the fact that when they get into society here they are pretty well destitute if you look at the numbers dependent on charity for survival.

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My idea is built along the premise that the world is not a nice place and to open our borders is stupidity.

First - Place the responsibility on the claimant to provide evidence of persecution to be able to claim refugee status. As the USA does at its Land Border crossings.

Second - Require all maritime arrivals to be pre-cleared just like aircraft. All passengers must have Visas.

Third - staff the Refugee Tribunual with enough people as to make a decision within 48 hours if appealed. This is fair to the person making the claim.

Third - Start a scheduled flight between Christmas Island and Jakarta - Karachi - Kabul - Tehran. Drop off the refused applicants and pick up visa holders who have applied for a visa via Immigration channels.

Fourth - Deduct the cost of "rescue" operations Australia conducts within Indonesian waters from the AID budgetof $646m that Australian taxpayers give to indonesia.

Fifth - Create a Family reunification Visa that is available to all Australians and PR so that family members currently in Australia do not have to jump on the boats. Make the application fees lower than the cost of a Jakarta-Xmas is ferry ticket.

Sixth - If a Refugee claimant has passed through a safe country on their way to Australia - This should negate their claim for refugee status unless unusual circumstances prevail.

Seventh - Remove access to HELP-FEES for refugee claimants. Currently an economic refugee can access fee deferral but an Australian Permanent Resident cannot. It is cheaper to buy a Jakarta-Xmas Island ferry ticket than to pay International Fees at Australian Universities.

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