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Old 07-18-2013, 08:16 AM
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If they want to co here I have no issue but do it the right way. They have the money to pay the smugglers so they have the money to apply like everyone else. They are doing it illegally
spot on rigs,some are just boat people,and are jumping the que,and that is making it a lot harder for my fiance to migrate the correct way, if they can pay the people smugglers can some one on here tell me just why,why ,cant they pay and come the rite way like every one else,lets see if you can convince me,


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This is a touchy issue, but here is my take on it. I want to highlight that I am compassionate to the needs of genuine refugees and actually think we should increase our annual intake of genuine refugees (but from UN camps).

Firstly, we are signatories to the UN conventions which means we have to accept "genuine refugees" that arrive on our shores. There really is no such thing as illegal refugees. Now, I know the figures are 90% of those that arrive are allegedly genuine but I think there are many more economic migrants amongst that 90%:
- many arrive without ID documentation of which many deliberately throw it away (if so, how did they pass so many countries on the way through to Indonesia given most come from Afghanistan, Iraq, including often boarding planes) either by their own accord or the demand of the people smugglers/captains making it very difficult and costly to assess them
- they are given free access to legal advice and therefore often "coached" on what to say and how to get it
- the benefit of the doubt in the decision always goes to the "refugee"

I actually think its flawed the UN Convention, firstly most refugees gain status by entering across land, but to get to Australia they need to arrive via the people smuggling boats which is very dangerous and a risk to all on board.

Another is its unfair those with money or with access to it can have immediate access to be granted status, while others that dont have the luxury and/or do not want to pay an illegal operations thousands of dollars and/or put themselves and families in jeopardy are stuck for years in UN camps, hoping to be so lucky.

Lastly, why do they pass so many safe countries on the way through? Seeking asylum should in principle be about getting to the closest safe country where your life is in danger. In my opinion, once they pass through these other safe countries they should not be considered genuine refugees any more.

Like I said, I am all for increasing our refugee intake (through the UN camps where refugees have an equal opportunity) but am 100% against those paying people smugglers and arriving by boats, unless that is the only option and they have not passed through other safe countries.

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as i was growing up i always thought that if people wanted to migrate to australia then they could,but i have since found out they cant just do that,you need a visa,and they are hard to get,so if there is no visa to suit you then you have no hope,am i correct there,lets say i am a 40 year old male from some where and i dont know any one here or have no family here then i have no hope ,unless i say i am a refuegee ,am i correct here,no visa would suit me.


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If people have not heard KRudd has made a change in the asylum seeker policy. The short version is that they will be sent to PNG for processing and he also said "Any asylum-seeker will have no chance of being resettled in Australia"

News article here: Kevin Rudd announces asylum seeker policy as boat detected near West Australian oil platform | News.com.au


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If people have not heard KRudd has made a change in the asylum seeker policy. The short version is that they will be sent to PNG for processing and he also said "Any asylum-seeker will have no chance of being resettled in Australia"

News article here: Kevin Rudd announces asylum seeker policy as boat detected near West Australian oil platform | News.com.au
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"Australia stands ready to progressively increase its intake through the humanitarian program,"
Great place to start! So people arriving by boat will not be allowed to resettle in Australia but the humanitarian visa program will increase the intake so people can apply through the correct channels. I almost would vote for Rudd based on that!

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Great place to start! So people arriving by boat will not be allowed to resettle in Australia but the humanitarian visa program will increase the intake so people can apply through the correct channels. I almost would vote for Rudd based on that!
I think that's great too and I'm generally not a labor supporter. If only they had the money side of things under control. Very good to see something positive like this coming out of labor though

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the greens dont like it,but then again do they like any thing.

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k rudd is full of BS, manus island will only be expanded to hold 3000 , where do the other 77000 that are expected this year going to go

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Great place to start! So people arriving by boat will not be allowed to resettle in Australia but the humanitarian visa program will increase the intake so people can apply through the correct channels. I almost would vote for Rudd based on that!
well i would vote for any polly that will stand up and make some changes to partner migration,its just to bloody hard in some cases, for instance if you are an australian born citerson and you want to bring your overseas partner,girlfriend,wife what ever it should be much simpler, like in australia you can get a divorce over the phone now ,my brother did about 8 years ago never even had to go to court,but try and bring your philippino married girl friend here and see what happens, they know its so hard and time consuming,and expensive yet they make you go through that process ,you have to spend lots of money on the anaulment before she can come ,money that would help set you up here,some of us are just australians that have fallen in love with a foregner but its so hard to get them here,all the bull shit about there family that is never going to migrate ,its plane crap,but no there will never be any changes made,it does not affect enough people ,and its not an election ishue ,but boat people well thats another story,so i say if you want to bring your honest,hard working,loyal,decent human being to your country then make it bloody easy for us for gods sake , i am saying this because i am sure that this forum is read by some one in goverment,dont worry about that.it would be well and truly monitered.

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k rudd is full of BS, manus island will only be expanded to hold 3000 , where do the other 77000 that are expected this year going to go
That's exactly what I was thinking. I love rudd's idea but its only short term. What will happen when they reached maximum capacity. Apparently we will now be funding more for the asylum seekers and refugees. It's so not fair because the rest of us go through the legal way although the people who apply haven't come from broken homes but at least they are more likely to continue the balance of our country. Bringing in refugees can disturb our country with more violence and more problems but in saying there are always a minor few who would keep the balance but who's supposed to know if they're just a random person or family that have come from broken third world countries.


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