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Probably because that completely and utterly lacks compassion for these people. Fleeing violence and persecution and our biggest concern is not for their well-being but the idea that they're "bloody queue-jumpers!"

My wife and I have been waiting for the decision on our visa for more than 13 months now, and despite all the issues and uncertainties it causes our own lives, I accept that if it means people escaping danger are accepted into a safer society such as Australia in a timely manner.

But, then again, maybe my eyes are opened more because my partner is herself from a previously war-torn country, and, thanks to living and speaking to people in that nation for over a year, I gained a pretty good idea of the decisions people would have liked to make when living under such conditions.
What do you say about these people passing through several safe countries on their journey and most of them reported to be economic refufees who aren't in any danger?

Just as it is not black and white in saying these people are queue jumpers, it is not black and white to say they are legitimate asylum seekers.

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What Papua New Guinea is like.
I work in the Oil exploration industry and over the last 15 years have been in PNG for more than 7 years.
90% of the population are subsistence farmers/hunter gatherers.
Of the 10% that live in the city's, unemployment is above 85%.
The living standard is very low, medical care is terrible,TB is endemic,malaria kills thousands each year, mostly the very young and old people.
Lae general hospital is called "house die" by the local people, Lae is the second biggest city in the country.
Port Moresby hospital regularly runs out of medicine.
In the villagers they sometimes have a first aid post, but very rarely have any medicine or bandages.
Crime is out of control all over the country, there are lots of no go areas in the towns and city's.
Pack rape, murder and armed hold ups are a daily occurrence almost everywhere in the country, not too bad in the villages.
The vast majority of the population does not have electricity or water.
Education is of a very low standard, no books sometime no teachers.

So what is rudd going to do with the all the people he sends there...build a new city "Refo City" and spend billions on building and supporting them for ever????
Now what about medical and schools!!!!

Nearly forgot to mention: The Australian High Commission compound is called "Fort Shit Scared" by long term expats, you should be able to work out why it has that name.

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when i was in japan a few weeks ago i went to the detention centre in tokyo with my partner,she was visiting a friend that had been caught for over staying her work visa and has now been in detension for 7 months,but i did not get to see her because we forgot my passport and i was only aloud to wate inside,but what i noticed was the building is a high rise in tokyo ,no razer wire,and i saw no armed gards,to look at the building it looked like any other high rise in tokyo, but japan and tialand ,and many other countrys dont get many refuegees because there is no social security there,if you dont work you dont get payed and then you are home less living on the streets ,and i have seen them as well,like the philippines ,no work no money,but here in australia no work plenty of money if you live as a big family,and that is why they come here,so goverment need to say to refugees to australia NO WORK NO MONEY and that would slow down the flow,beleave me.


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Probably because that completely and utterly lacks compassion for these people. Fleeing violence and persecution and our biggest concern is not for their well-being but the idea that they're "bloody queue-jumpers!"

My wife and I have been waiting for the decision on our visa for more than 13 months now, and despite all the issues and uncertainties it causes our own lives, I accept that if it means people escaping danger are accepted into a safer society such as Australia in a timely manner.

But, then again, maybe my eyes are opened more because my partner is herself from a previously war-torn country, and, thanks to living and speaking to people in that nation for over a year, I gained a pretty good idea of the decisions people would have liked to make when living under such conditions.
Yes that's what I'm saying. What about the visa applicants who have come from a country where its not safe but are applying through the correct channel to be with family, work, study or be with their partner. Who makes the decision to say that visa applicants aren't as important as refugees? Everyone has a story, a story that would like to be shared unfortunately the world is rapidly growing with numbers hence the government, hence the processes of legal systems, so that it is fair for EVERYONE. Australia is not the only safe country in the world. The refugees boats pass other countries that are also safe. Money is their motivation for coming here hopefully there won't be as many boats for the Rudd's new plan but in saying that its only a short term plan and really all boats should be turned around and they should go to another country that they pass by on the travels here.

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I guess the reality is our opinions here will not determine what happens, it will be the election that decides what will happen

Irrespective of where the people go, I believe the empty boats should be sunk and their crews imprisoned for 30 years no bail for endangering lives

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I guess the reality is our opinions here will not determine what happens, it will be the election that decides what will happen

Irrespective of where the people go, I believe the empty boats should be sunk and their crews imprisoned for 30 years no bail for endangering lives
With the money they collected from their "customers", they can probably live like a king in the prison.


Police attend full-scale riot at asylum seeker detention centre on Nauru - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

"They've been told it will be a week or so before they get their first interview.

"[Others have] had interviews and now, six months on, they still haven't got answers to the refugee determination, so the anger and frustration has been building over weeks and months."


Wow! Many of us should be marching now.

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What do you say about these people passing through several safe countries on their journey and most of them reported to be economic refufees who aren't in any danger?

Just as it is not black and white in saying these people are queue jumpers, it is not black and white to say they are legitimate asylum seekers.
most countries between the main countries of origin of most of the asylum seekers (Afghanistan and Iran) and Australia are not signatories to the UN accord for taking asylum seekers, and will either kick them out and send them back to their home country or detain them in camps indefinitely. for the people who face the choice of stay in their country and die or strike out for the nearest country that will take them, Australia and Europe are the two closest options for the most part.

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I guess the reality is our opinions here will not determine what happens, it will be the election that decides what will happen

Irrespective of where the people go, I believe the empty boats should be sunk and their crews imprisoned for 30 years no bail for endangering lives
I don't think the election will make a big difference. Abbott loves to poke at Rudd, but I'm doubtful he would change the policy if Liberal wins.


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I don't think the election will make a big difference. Abbott loves to poke at Rudd, but I'm doubtful he would change the policy if Liberal wins.
Tony Abbott said it was a great idea but that it would fail under Kevin Rudd. I think the policy is here to stay. I'm really curious if it will be a success.

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