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Old 07-18-2013, 11:11 AM
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Postgraduate diploma in secondary education (major: Math.)

Hello Everyone,

I'm a math. teacher teaching Math. in Egypt and since there's nothing called teacher license in here and because I'd like to migrate to Oz under the skilled migration category, I have applied for a postgraduate diploma in secondary Education (major: math) in the University of Wollongong and I was offered an admission opportunity to study there full time and my goal is to have an initial teacher certification with the required training hours so as to apply later for GSM (study will start of Feb10 and ends in Dec31)

My question is: Am I eligible for this migration opportunity after the study? (P.S. There's no point to waste my resources to do this study if it won't do me any good in applying for GSM as this study is completely useless in Egypt).

I thought of seeking your sincere advice and thoughts before starting this tiresome journey to have some clear idea about my chances in migration after completing this study successfully. It's a big frustration to spend all that money and time just to end up nowhere)

Thank you all

P.S. My degree is a B.SC degree in Math. from the Faculty of Science. If I've got my degree in Math. from the Faculty of Education then I wouldn't have any problem migrating other than showing the required IELTS scores but now I have these 2 challenges (IELTS & initial teacher education) which I'm trying to hit by 1 shot through the above study...


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Hi Magoood -

There are a number of skilled migration visas for Australia, including independent and state/territory sponsored visas. For skilled migration, potentially you have 3 different sets of regulations you may need to satisfy: those of the skills assessment authority, the state/territory sponsorship authority, and DIAC (the immigration dept) for the visa. In some cases those regulations do not align perfectly, and each of the 3 sets of rules may have special requirements not shared by the other 2. This is why "am I eligible for skilled migration" is a complex question that can only be answered with a full assessment of your anticipated education plan and existing circumstances as those relate to the immigration laws and regulations in Australia. Simply put, there are many ifs, ands and buts in all of this, and the devil is in the details - a proper migration plan means researching all of the applicable regulations and making sure you meet them (or will). Of course you're predicting the future, so the rules might change, but at least you'll be going into things from a well-informed position.

In a nutshell, since you won't be studying in Australia for 2 years, you meet the Australian Study Requirement and hence won't be eligible for the 485 post-graduate skilled temporary visa which many grads use to stay here for 18 months after graduation and build up some local work experience. That leaves the 489, 189 and 190 skilled visas depending on your specific occupation.

Hope this helps with the basics -

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Hi Magoood -

There are a number of skilled migration visas for Australia, including independent and state/territory sponsored visas. For skilled migration, potentially you have 3 different sets of regulations you may need to satisfy: those of the skills assessment authority, the state/territory sponsorship authority, and DIAC (the immigration dept) for the visa. In some cases those regulations do not align perfectly, and each of the 3 sets of rules may have special requirements not shared by the other 2. This is why "am I eligible for skilled migration" is a complex question that can only be answered with a full assessment of your anticipated education plan and existing circumstances as those relate to the immigration laws and regulations in Australia. Simply put, there are many ifs, ands and buts in all of this, and the devil is in the details - a proper migration plan means researching all of the applicable regulations and making sure you meet them (or will). Of course you're predicting the future, so the rules might change, but at least you'll be going into things from a well-informed position.

In a nutshell, since you won't be studying in Australia for 2 years, you meet the Australian Study Requirement and hence won't be eligible for the 485 post-graduate skilled temporary visa which many grads use to stay here for 18 months after graduation and build up some local work experience. That leaves the 489, 189 and 190 skilled visas depending on your specific occupation.

Hope this helps with the basics -

Best,

Mark Northam

Hi Mr. Northam,

I need an expert advice on my visa189 application.

Although I haven't lodged it yet, am preparing for the prospective problem on my visa points.

I got an acknowldgment email yesterday from AITSL for my assessment as secondary teacher. However, it will take from 10 to 14 weeks before the results ( hopefully suitable ) will be mailed to me. By that time, I would have turned 40 years old thereby losing points, leaving me with only 55 pts.

My question is, can I possibly claim 20 points under LANGUAGE since my IELTS obs is 8 though not in all areas ( L & S - 8.5; R & W- 7.5 )?
Or whAt about possible additional points for my masters' degree?

I hope you can shed light on this. Thanks


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Hi Kindred -

Thanks for the note - wish I had better news. There are no extra points available for a Master degree, and the 20 points for IELTS requires a minimum score of 8 in all 4 bands - if any of the 4 band scores is under 8, that test result will not qualify for the 20 additional points.

Also, I'm confused on exactly where you are in the process - have you received an invitation to apply? If so, it's a bit late for the skills assessment application. If not, then you may need to consider that submitting an EOI after you get your skills assessment completed is only the first step - you then need to wait for an invitation to apply, after which you have 60 days to apply. For points purposes, the age that you are considered to be at application is the age you are when the invitation is issued.

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Hi Kindred -

Thanks for the note - wish I had better news. There are no extra points available for a Master degree, and the 20 points for IELTS requires a minimum score of 8 in all 4 bands - if any of the 4 band scores is under 8, that test result will not qualify for the 20 additional points.

Also, I'm confused on exactly where you are in the process - have you received an invitation to apply? If so, it's a bit late for the skills assessment application. If not, then you may need to consider that submitting an EOI after you get your skills assessment completed is only the first step - you then need to wait for an invitation to apply, after which you have 60 days to apply. For points purposes, the age that you are considered to be at application is the age you are when the invitation is issued.

Hope this helps -

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Hi again Mark!

Well sorry for the confusion. What I received from AITSL is only an acknowledgment email that they have received my documents for assessment. You're right. I have to wait for a suitable assessment prior to submitting my EOI. So while I wait thought of asking these questions because I know by the time the assessment results are out sometime in Sept I would have turned 40 and get only a total of 55 pts.for migration points.

So if I can't get additional points for masters' and IELTS, is it possible to get 5 pts from a category in the 1119 visa points list ( under educational qualification ) that says : " you have attained an award or qualification recognised by the assessing authority in determining your skills for your nominated occupation " - because I have likewise submitted to AITSL among my documents for assessment a certified true copy of my license and certificate for passing the Philippine Teachers' Board?

That's my last option.. Otherwise, I will need to either retake IELTS, or finish my dissertation for my PhD. to get the lacking points. ;(

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Hi Kindred -

Wish I had better news - if you're referring to the 5 points in the same educational category as Bachelor (15 pts), unfortunately you cannot claim more than one qualification, so if you're claiming a Bachelor for 15 pts, you cannot claim a lesser degree, trade qualification, license, etc for an additional 5 points. The primary use of the 5 points option are people who have a trade qualification but no Bachelor.

My favorite way to help increase IELTS scores: IELTS Practice Course, IELTS Sample Tests, IELTS Study :: Welcome to Scott's English Success! - for many of our clients, it's the best $50 they've spent (!).

Can you tell me specifically which visa you are looking at.... 189? 190?

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Hi Kindred -

Wish I had better news - if you're referring to the 5 points in the same educational category as Bachelor (15 pts), unfortunately you cannot claim more than one qualification, so if you're claiming a Bachelor for 15 pts, you cannot claim a lesser degree, trade qualification, license, etc for an additional 5 points. The primary use of the 5 points option are people who have a trade qualification but no Bachelor.

My favorite way to help increase IELTS scores: IELTS Practice Course, IELTS Sample Tests, IELTS Study :: Welcome to Scott's English Success! - for many of our clients, it's the best $50 they've spent (!).

Can you tell me specifically which visa you are looking at.... 189? 190?

Best,

Mark Northam

Hi again Mark!

So I can't claim those 10 pts.. I see. Then that means I will really have to either retake IELTS for a straight 8. Better yet finish my PhD. dissertation in 6 months. Then, if my interpretation is right upon earning PhD, I can only claim the 20 pts. and not anymore the 15 pts.under my bachelor degree?
Am aiming for 189.

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Hi Kindred -

With 55 points you can apply for state sponsorship for the 190 visa, vs 60 points for the 189 and you are at the lowest level of the pool of people waiting for invitations there...?

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Hi Kindred -

With 55 points you can apply for state sponsorship for the 190 visa, vs 60 points for the 189 and you are at the lowest level of the pool of people waiting for invitations there...?

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Hi Mark.

Thanks for the suggested activities for my planned IELTS retake.

On your suggestion to take the 190 route, I just wonder is it true that unlike visa 189 one cannot work in an SS and practice any other job aside from the nominated skill?

It may happen that I may not be able to find any full-time teaching job immediately.. That is what most Filipino teachers who migrated believe because most private schools employ only native speakers as teachers.. And I am an ENGLISH major.. Lol!!

Thanks again.


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No work restrictions on the 190. Only post-grant restriction generally is an agreement with the state sponsorship authorities (not DIAC) that you live and work in the state for 2 years after the visa is granted. But there is no limit on the type of work you can do.

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