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Old 07-10-2009, 02:07 AM
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Northern Ireland Police Certificate

Hi all,

Thanks for everyone's help so far!
Our application has been received by the department and they have requested that we provide an Irish Police Certificate for my partner, who is from Northern Ireland. The ACPO Police Certificate covers Northern Ireland, and my partner has never lived anywhere in Ireland itself. I raised this with the case manager who stated 'he lived in Ireland from 1985 - 2003'.
I'm confused about this - the ACPO covers N.Ireland, and maps of Ireland show N.Ireland as being part of the UK, not in Ireland. We will provide the Irish certificate as requested, but it doesn't seem relevant.

Has anyone had similar experiences? Do all citizens of N.Ireland have to provide Irish Police Certificates as well?

Thanks!

Hannah


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Old 07-10-2009, 04:37 AM
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So Hannah, with
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Our application has been received by the department and they have requested that we provide an Irish Police Certificate for my partner, who is from Northern Ireland. The ACPO Police Certificate covers Northern Ireland, and my partner has never lived anywhere in Ireland itself. I raised this with the case manager who stated 'he lived in Ireland from 1985 - 2003'.
Did you get a chance to differentiate for the CO [who seems to be somewhat ignorant] that NI is the UK as separate from Ireland.

And have you been able to talk to the CO on the phone or was it just email correspondence?

I'd imagine to apply for a certificate from Irish Police you would have to have an address there where you lived or the only other situation I can imagine is that if you're dealing with a NI based UK CO they reckon they have to check up to make sure your partner isn't a frequent crossing borders type who might have history on the other side! - a bit far fetched!

And just looking a bit further, the Irish have a bit of their own english lingo don't they - under Garda FAQ - Vetting - Frequently Asked Questions re police certificates and they certainly expect you to have lived somewhere in Ireland.

Ironic is the address for further info - Tipperary - reminds me of a song " On the way to Tipperary " - not that it helps much.

I really reckon you have to go back to the CO and if need be put it in writing via email very clearly that NI of the UK and Ireland are two different countries and shove the links for immi countries advice and both the UK & Ireland under his/her nose and ask how one is supposed to get an Irish Police Certificate if never having had an address or Irish ID to base it on, doing it all as kindly and pleasantly as you can - Start of with something like
" I'm puzzled and my partner and I have something of a dilemma in that seeing as he has never lived in Ireland we do not know how to get a police clearance from there.
Maybe I've misunderstood you and so can you explain further, ie.
immi link gives both Ireland and UK authorities to contact re UK which includes NI, my partner from there having a UK passport "
. immi link
. Garda link
. ACPO link

If you still get the same answer back, there's either of two things you can do:

. if in NI/UK at moment, look up the generic email address for immi in London - it'll be on the immi site under contact/overseas offices I expect.

. or if you're in Oz, there's what is called a Global feedback centre you can ring on 133 177

Somehow I think you're going to need to do one of those at some stage unless the CO comes around to realise that you are not going to be able to get an Irish Police Certificate [unless the ACPO have a system of sorts that'll check with the Garda and request one!].

OK, so it's still NZ is it? and so look up email address for Auckland or Wellington.





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Hi Wanderer!
Thanks for that great answer. Yes it's very confusing, I think the CO might be confused & am dreading the conversation with her tomorrow morning - but at the same time looking forward to sorting it out!
I rang the Australian immi general helpline on Friday afternoon (we are in NZ) and although the person who answered couldn't help as it is an offshore application, she definitely agreed it was unnecessary to provide an Irish police certificate.
I had emailed our CO querying the original request, but the email response I received back was a little condescending, stating 'Your partner lived in Ireland from 1985 - 2003 hence the request for the Irish Police Certificate'. So now I'm worrying that she thinks our application is dodgy because I didn't know my boyfriend grew up in Ireland! So I think calling, sorting it out and requesting in writing is the best option at this stage.
Fingers crossed! Thanks for all your help and answers!
Have a great week,
Hannah


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Update! I called the CO this morning, but she was not in today. Luckily I was able to talk to her manager, who confirmed that an Irish Police Certificate is unnecessary, and that the CO must have been confused. I'll follow up with an email to the CO when she is back.
Thanks Wanderer for your help - you're fantastic!
Hannah


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Sounds like it'll be OK then Hannah
The luck of the Irish to you and may the wind be at your back I think they say - Liam ought to be able to confirm that.





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