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Old 08-08-2009, 09:51 AM
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Carpenter - visa 175

Hi All,

Im a little confused and really going round in circles. I keep ringing the DIAC number and then Vetassess and then TRA but all keep giving me contradictory information.

I wish to apply for a 175 visa, under the job occupation of carpenter (similar occupation - scenic carpenter) basically I am told,

Because I am not a carpenter by trade but have a Ba Hons in Technical Theatre i.e. Scenic Carpenter I can not be assessed under Trade Recognition Australia in addition because I'm here on a working holiday visa not a Temp Long Stay Visa that too goes against me.

Vetassess wont assess anyone in the country and I would have to return to England to get assessed. In addition because "Carpenter" the assessment tool is based on how to build a house and not construct scenery safely, it doesn't look like I would pass the test.

Do they take this into account when assessing you?

Finally my occupation although is in on the MODL, it is however not on the Critical Skills list. Does that mean I get pushed further down the waiting list?

Basically I would like to know where I stand, do i have to go home and apply to come back on a 175 visa, or could I apply through some government department to stay.

Please if anyone could give me some information I would gladly take any advice.

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Old 08-09-2009, 10:59 AM
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Welcome to the forum Damion and unfortunately I'd reckon you're between a Rock and a hard place, and though not an immigration professional my understanding of the situation is:
1. Whilst Carpenter and associated trades, Carpenter and Joiner and Cabinet Maker are on MODL, an in demand list extracted from SOL - and Is your occupation in demand? - Workers - Visas & Immigration , they are there like all other trades and professions because they are skills that are considered to generally be in shortage for what are essential components of the community, ie. hosing as far as carpenters go.

I do not have an in depth knowledge of the Visual Arts area but I'd suspect people would enter the paid section of the industry through either trade skills perhaps applied to volunteer theatre or from a more professional direction such as yourself and that's where the squeeze comes from for you do not have the trade training/papers that a trades/crafts person has gained usually via an apprenticeship.

I understand that there may be a category of Scenic Carpenter within the theatre industry, something likely crafted specifically for the Arts but I haven't seen it on SOL/MODL and nearest you'll find to it with an ASCO code is probably going to be something like Visual Arts and Crafts Professionals [nec - not elsewhere categorised] 2531-79 , page 8 of 24 on SOL but it's not actually rated for SOL points and there for the Employer Nomination Scheme [ENSOL]

I'd reckon there could be mixed signals coming from TRA/VETASSESS re not being able to apply within Australia for you could probably submit an application for assessment and for Carpenter likely get it refused though VETASSESS may have an odd rule for not assessing if you're in Australia.

I say odd because for a 175/176 vias, though they are classed as visas for people from outside Australia to apply for, you can actually apply for them from within Australia and perhaps VETASSESS are not up with that.
The catch comes though if someone is to be successful with a 175/176 application for to be granted an applicant does need to be outside of Australia, just one of those immi quirks you could say but being here on a WHV would not stop someone applying and in fact there have been posters on the forum who have been in exactly that position - another story!.

But your issue is that you do not have the qualifications required for a carpentry trade.
And yes, Carpentry has been removed from the CSL and so without an employer sponsorship or a state nomination [176] no point in applying this year - have a read of sticky thread #4 .

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