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Old 08-07-2009, 05:31 PM
 
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Police cert question

Just been informed by my C.O. that I have to provide Police clearance Certs for countries I served in whilst I was with the United Nations for longer than 12 months this is going to take a very long time as the Police of that country wouldn't have kept records of me having been there.
I contacted the dept of Defence in Ireland to find out my periods of service with the country that the C.O. had asked the Police certificate with and it amounts to one week less than a 12 month period.
Does anyone know if that would mean my application can proceed.......?
When the C.O. contacted me initially looking for this information, I said that my Irish Police certificate should cover it as Irish soldiers serve under Irish and UN law, but the C.O. never got back to me to say weather this would suffice. When I phoned her to ask if she had recieved everything 2 months ago and if she needed anything else she said it all seemed to be in order. So all that time I have been left in a limbo and if I had not contacted the C.O. to find out what the delay was, she said that I would only have been contacted again when the application had expired.

Just a word of warning for people, don't take answers or what you think is the answer to the question you asked for granted.
My fiance is gutted as it could take 2-4 months to get a Police cert for that other country and our wedding is in November this year.

From a very dis-heartened man


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That sucks! Really does! I feel very sorry for you--my BF and I are going through the process at the moment and we're REALLY antsy about when im going to get the visa if at all!

Here is my suggestion:

-Get the dept of Defense to write you a quick letter stating that you have not lived in any country for 12 months or more (even if its one week less, well, it hasn't been 12 months, they can get technical about a week or two when it comes to the 12 month relationship requirement, so you should be technical too, get my drift?) and that your irish cert will suffice as the army is governed by that law etc.

-May i ask what country the 2-4 month cert is for? Is the department able to write you a letter to state that if you had committed a crime you would have been dealt with by military police anyway and this would have shown up on your irish record?

Basically, since you have access to the department of defence i think you should use that connection as much as possible--after all the military is a very official and trustworthy organization so wont the immi people have to take their word?

If you really have to get that police cert, you can always ask to rush it--i know that in the States it is supposed to take two months but you can ask to get it done sooner and immigration is a valid reason to them. Even tell them in a letter that you are getting married in november so if they could pretty please hurry...

Good luck, let us know how it goes. Thanks for the advice though, i am going to pester my CO if i dont hear from them now, heehee.


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Old 08-09-2009, 12:36 AM
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Just to add to my PM comments Mr. T If you have the documentation to show you were not in any country for less than 12 months and have alluded to otherwise in your application, first thing to do is eat a bit of humble pie and contact the CO by email [for records] and see what the situation is re your application.

By law she may have to reject your application because of untruthful information supplied - have a look at bottom of any application form and there's a reference to what you've signed being true etc., and so CO may have no options.

Going to be tough to suck it up but that's the law!

[ what happens with the military BTW?, does your unit commander or whomever, the Quartermaster? keep everyones passports secure and has someone from the immigration of the country in question come over with a stamp? - like if it ws Iraq or Afghanistan it'd hardly be that there was an effective immigration service in place or does the UN run a defacto system?]





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Old 08-09-2009, 12:56 AM
 
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I have emailed my C.O. and said that to the best of my ability I provided the most correct information I had to hand when completing my application and when I had my discharge interview with my Unit commander I provided the same information to him.
I'm afraid I wouldnt have enough time to re-apply for a new Visa and I'm due to get married in less than 3 months time and have to be out in Oz at least a month in advance for a pre-marriage course.
To be fair to me when the C.O. asked initally for a Police cert for Ireland and Lebanon I provided one for Ireland and stated that since I served under Irish law and U.N. law whilst abroad my Irish cert would reflect any non convictions and I also provided a charachter ref from the Army as well.
I never heard anything back from the C.O. when I submitted the information, so assumed that I was covered. So to my shock when I phoned to ask what the delay was and was told the Police check for Lebanon was still outstanding, I was outraged, because the last time I phoned to check two months ago when she had recieved the letter from me she said, she had everything and would contact me if anything else was outstanding.
I have been in contact with the dept of Defence and they are putting my details on an army document with the correct dates and I'll also get them to say that I hadn't any convictions in Ireland or any other country.
My opinion now to others is that if you don't hear anything for more than a few weeks is to phone and ask why. I should have been informed two months ago that a Police cert was still outstanding. It turns out now I probably won't be needing it as I haven't lived in any country besides Ireland for more than a year.
I only hope to God this can get ammended.


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Just to add to my PM comments Mr. T If you have the documentation to show you were not in any country for less than 12 months and have alluded to otherwise in your application, first thing to do is eat a bit of humble pie and contact the CO by email [for records] and see what the situation is re your application.

By law she may have to reject your application because of untruthful information supplied - have a look at bottom of any application form and there's a reference to what you've signed being true etc., and so CO may have no options.

Going to be tough to suck it up but that's the law!

[ what happens with the military BTW?, does your unit commander or whomever, the Quartermaster? keep everyones passports secure and has someone from the immigration of the country in question come over with a stamp? - like if it ws Iraq or Afghanistan it'd hardly be that there was an effective immigration service in place or does the UN run a defacto system?]

You get issued a National Passport and UN ID card, the UN deal with everything from searching your bags to checking you in and out of the country, so in effect the Army would have all records of any offences you committed, the National Police of the host country wouldn't be allowed to arrest a UN soldier, UN Military Police would though and if you committed a crime you'd be tried in your home country, by your own National Police and courts service. It has happened many times in the past, so I supplied the correct information to the C.O. in that my Irish Police cert and Army documents showed no convictions. However I did to the best of my knowledge supply the best information regarding dates for the Overseas missions and their duration, now it seems I was 6 days off, an easy enough mistake to make when you are trying to remember dates from 8 years ago.


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