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Old 10-05-2017, 03:52 AM
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Help!! Prospective Marriage? Partner? Bridging? Need advice :)

Hi everyone! Just joined the forum, done a bit of research but can?t really find exact answers to my questions. So figured I would just explain my exact situation, and see if someone could help!!

So my girlfriend and I have been dating for a little over a year and a half. She is from Gold Coast, and I am from the US. We are planning on getting married hopefully September 2018, maybe sooner if possible!

I am planning on going/moving to Australia in April 2018, and we are trying to figure out our visa options. We really just want to be together ASAP, and for me to be allowed to work in Australia.

I went October 2015 to QLD for 6 months. Met her then, and started dating in that time. She visited me in the US for about a week in June 2016. I then came back to QLD in December and stayed until April 2017, and we both came back to America, and she was here until May 2017.

She is coming here in 6 weeks (YAAAYYYYY!!!) for Thanksgiving and will be here for about 3 weeks again. Then, like I previously said, I will be going to Australia April 2018, with the intentions of moving there then. We are wanting to have the whole visa process go as quickly and easily as possible! So we don?t know which option is best for us. So here are what we thinking our current options are:



A) Prospective Marriage Visa>Partner Visa route?

Concerns: Taking so long to process, not being allowed to work in AUS until it is granted.

B) ETA>Bridging>820/801

Come to Australia on an ETA, get legally married in April as soon as I arrive. Then apply for the 820/801, and get a bridging visa that allows me to work?

Concerns: Not sure how long it takes for a bridging visa to be granted? Or if I am guaranteed to be allowed to work with the Bridging Visa? Or is the ETA>Partner Visa even legally allowed? I can?t find much against it, but just want to make sure.

C) Study Visa>Bridging>820/801

Concerns: Requires full-time study? Wouldn?t have time to work so much? I believe I?m allowed to work either a study visa, and get married though. Also, still don?t know how long it takes to get the bridging visa?

D) Legally married in the US this November, then apply for 309/100 visa.

Concerns: Would be married, but still not allowed to work in Australia? Would I be able to get some sort of bridging visa in the mean time, while waiting for the 309? Not sure how this option would work...

E) Win the lottery, buy our own private island, and forget all the governmental legal junk

Concerns: Wouldn?t know what kind of yacht or private jet to buy?



So... there?s what we think our options are! We would LOOOVVEEEE some advice!! We are just desperately wanting to be together more than anything, as quick as possible. And for me to be allowed to work legally!

I am also 1/8th Australian, as my great-grandfather was Australian! Don?t know if that will help anything... but I do have some 3rd cousins in Sydney and GC that I keep in contact with!

If anyone at all has any advice on our options, or which option you think is best, or if you have a completely new option... please let us know!! We are wanting to apply ASAP to get the process going! If you have any tips or tricks for speeding up the processing time also, that?d be nice!

Sorry for such a lengthy post, and we really appreciate any advice and help anyone can give! Thank you so much!


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A. PMVs do seem to be taking longer to process from the states these days, but if you applied now, there is a possibility of a grant around April but with current times it could be a few months layer than that. This is the easiest visa in terms of evidence as the partners typically live apart. Cost for 300 is $7000 plus a reduced fee of $1170 to apply for the 820 (after entering Oz at least once and legally marrying anywhere in the world) as a 300 holder. The wait times for the 300 to 820 are not the regular 820 wait times. Some get it in a few days to a few months. Work rights are full and stay that way from the time you get the 300. You can apply for Medicare once the 820 has been applied for.

B. You can enter on an ETA and apply onshore for 820/801. You do not need to be married to apply for a partner visa, and in fact might be scrutinized for marrying so early into your relationship and then immediately applying for a partner visa. You should probably consult an RMA prior to marrying to be sure you won't close off other options that might be better. The BVA is granted immediately after applying for the 820/801 but will not go into effect until your current stay period expires while you are still onshore (so 3 months for ETA). Only once the BVA is active will you have work rights but you will not have travel rights and will need to apply and pay for a temporary BVB for dates of intended travel (it goes on top of the BVA and usually only granted for short periods).

C. Study visa is seriously not recommended for anyone that does not plan to use it for its intended purpose. It is an expensive path and you will be bound by the visa conditions until the GRANT of your 820 or until the student visa expires while you're still waiting for a decision on the 820 and the BVA kicks in. I believe there is a limit to 20 hours of work per week as well. Try and cancel your student visa early just voids the BVA as it is a bridging visa and must be attached to visas at both ends. 820s are taking around 1.5-2 years from what I've seen at the moment.

D. No bridging visas for offshore applications. You will have to wait for the 309 grant to be able to go and work in Australia (unless you get some other visa after applying for the 309/100 that allows you to work in Australia (see "A"). The key is to talk with an RMA to see if you have enough evidence to qualify as de facto for the 12 months prior to applying. Being married does waive the 12 month requirement but not the evidence requirements. If you go this route and don't have the evidence for it, a denial will be incredibly costly and if you don't win an appeal you'd have to start the whole process over again which is even more costly. Same applies to the onshore 820/801.

E. Some government probably owns that island and if not it's owned by a country that probably has plenty of immigration laws too lol. I have plenty of suggestions for yachts and planes for ya as we've considered a similar option as well :-P


How old are you? You could apply for an offshore visa (300 or 309) and then immediately apply for a work and holiday visa (462) to be able to come to Oz and work while you wait. You'd have to be offshore (via plane, not cruise) for a decision to be made on the partner visa but they ask you to leave for 3-5 days when the time comes and it's the perfect excuse for a holiday. Plenty of places from Oz are very cheap to spend a week at (we're considering Vietnam or Thailand as our next one).

Personally, I'd recommend the PMV 300, then apply for the W&HV 462 straight after the 300. The 300 may be granted before you plan on going to Oz in April, and if it's not, you csn still go as intended and enter on the W&HV. Take a few days off for a short holiday to go offshore for the 300 grant, reenter on the 300 and go back to the same job.

A second option would be to start with the W&HV, move to Oz, build up more de facto evidence now that you'd be living together full time, then apply 820/801 towards the end of the one year W&HV.

You have lots of options... but an RMA (highly recommend one who uses this forum and lives in Oz) can tell you your best options for success based on what evidence you have or will have.

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Not a lot to add to Sky's post above, just one thing to keep in mind regarding onshore 820 applications - DIBP have proposed changes to the sponsorship process in the works that mean the sponsor would have to be approved first before a partner visa application could be lodged. This is designed to reduce ETA-->820 applications, since the process for approving sponsors could take months (though no one really knows at this point). They were talking about these changes earlier this year, but then deferred then until next year. If you're planning on entering in April then lodging 820 application, they may or may not be in effect by then.

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First off, thanks for the replies!! But unfortunately, the first time in 2015 when I came to Australia, I came on the 462 visa, so I can't do that option :/ Also, I am 24, she is 25.

So, let's say I apply for the PMV in the next week or two, what all do I need to submit with it to have it granted ASAP? I've seen some people mention having a "decision-ready" application? Any idea what that all entails? I assume the doctors check-up, and the police report. Anything else?

And also, if I apply for that, would I still be allowed to enter the country on like an ETA, and then just fly to Thailand or NZ as recommended for like a week, until the PMV is granted?

I feel like the PMV is looking like the best way to go?

If I can't work for like, a 1-3 months, I would survive I think. Just hoping I could work ASAP!


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Also, does my girlfriend have to fill out some application to be approved to be a sponsor for the PMV?


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And also... do I really have to do this FBI check that takes 12-14 weeks to complete?! I assumed it was just a simple police check from your local police?

Sorry for so many questions!


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I for sure wouldn't recommend doing it in the next two weeks. There is a lot of prep work that needs to go in to it, and $7000 is a lot to blow on a poorly prepped application. FBI and medical checks aside (those can be done later/at the request of a CO, and yes you need a FBI check), it is best to have everything uploaded in a fairly timely manner (within a couple of weeks of paying), including your relationship statements, supporting statement from friends or family, proof of communication, notice of intent to marry, job, education, and address history etc.

I've been puttering at these things for months, and while I certainly could have done it faster I reckon everything still would have taken a month or so.

Once you apply you should be able to enter Australia on an ETA, keeping in mind you can only stay for 3 months at a time, so while waiting for a PMV to process you might have to leave a couple of times. It's probably easier to plan to stay in the States for a few months after you apply so at least you can keep working (or maybe consider going to NZ on a working holiday if you haven't already, at least you're in the neighbourhood and have work rights, that's what I am doing)


Go slow, be patient, be careful, and maybe hire professional help.

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Also stop using the word girlfriend. She is your partner or fiancee

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Decision ready is just a term we use for people who submit all required documentation including medicals and police checks. Not much you can do to speed the process up but having a decision ready app can save from short delays of having to do them after COs request them (rather than a CO not needing to request anything).

The medical requires a panel physician and you can get the paperwork required to make an appt after applying as well as a list of the acceptable physicians near you.

If you are a US citizen, you can use an approved channeler for your FBI check. I used Accurate Biometrics and had the results within about a week. See link.

You'll also need state police checks for any state you've resided in for at least 3 months in the 12 months prior to applying.

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