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Old 12-05-2017, 01:09 PM
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Hey my name is mandeep . i had apply for australia through Satluj immigration . Sultan Virk was the agent . I have done Msc ( Physics) and M.ed (Education) with two years for experince . Applied through this agent . He told me that ur experince is not enough so he will do something and apply for me . He made fake degrees and applied as a accountant without telling me . Everything was done when he applied for visa . I got a refusal the reason was my degrees were not valid . please help me with this if anybody can . what should i do and what to do . He made me fool and my whole future is in vain . spent alot of money .
Iím sorry to say this but you are a liar 🤥. You knew what your agent was doing , in fact you read and signed the paper . Well you just ripped what you sow.

I understand why the system is fucked up for genuine people .

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I seldom pipe up on posts of this nature... but I canít help but add my comments this time...
THIS is exactly why the 90 some odd percent of the rest of us are tortured waiting for harsh Cost, scrutiny, assessment and interrogation in anticipation of making a move to continue our lives in another place, in this case Australia.
You came here for what exactly?
Support? Validation?
Do the right thing.
Contact the proper channel and straighten it out.
If you get banned, then the onus is on you for not being prepared - go after the agent by all means if they are legit guilty of a crime without your knowledge.
But according to your own words - you knew your degrees were not qualified.
What did you think was going to happen?
Sorry. This infuriates me.
Families are often separated for ridiculous periods of time because of ignorance like this. And I am more upset for others who have posted their hardships than my own by the way!
I have zero tolerance.
You have come to the wrong place for sympathy.
I am not replying to any comment coming my way on my personal stance but the creator of this post needs to Ďhearí me.

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Old 12-05-2017, 05:01 PM
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He told me that ur experince is not enough so he will do something and apply for me.
At this point, when he said you don't have enough, but he will do something for you, what did you think he was going to do? No matter what you thought he was going to do, it all points to fraud. You claiming you didn't know is just bullshit. In fact, you're so full of shit, I'd be surprised if you didn't have to clean your ears too after you took a dump.

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He made fake degrees and applied as a accountant without telling me . Everything was done when he applied for visa . I got a refusal the reason was my degrees were not valid . please help me with this if anybody can . what should i do and what to do . He made me fool and my whole future is in vain . spent alot of money .
You spent a lot of money and time and knowingly tried to defraud the DIBP. Whatever you have coming to you, you deserve, to be honest. After he "fixed" things for you, did you not look over the application before he submitted it on your behalf?


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I seldom pipe up on posts of this nature... but I canít help but add my comments this time...
THIS is exactly why the 90 some odd percent of the rest of us are tortured waiting for harsh Cost, scrutiny, assessment and interrogation in anticipation of making a move to continue our lives in another place, in this case Australia.
You came here for what exactly?
Support? Validation?
Do the right thing.
Contact the proper channel and straighten it out.
If you get banned, then the onus is on you for not being prepared - go after the agent by all means if they are legit guilty of a crime without your knowledge.
But according to your own words - you knew your degrees were not qualified.
What did you think was going to happen?
Sorry. This infuriates me.
Families are often separated for ridiculous periods of time because of ignorance like this. And I am more upset for others who have posted their hardships than my own by the way!
I have zero tolerance.
You have come to the wrong place for sympathy.
I am not replying to any comment coming my way on my personal stance but the creator of this post needs to Ďhearí me.
This. ^^ 1000x over.


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Old 12-05-2017, 05:16 PM
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Your doggy agent "created" some doggy degree for you to get a visa, you paid so much money and now you say you know nothing about that?

I said bulls**t!

Stay right there where you belong, better for all of us.
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Old 12-05-2017, 08:36 PM
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We should bear in mind that this is an open forum.

I completely understand the frustration; I too am playing the waiting game due to ever increasing processing times but surely there are better ways to express our views and opinions without having to resort to profanities.


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We should bear in mind that this is an open forum.

I completely understand the frustration; I too am playing the waiting game due to ever increasing processing times but surely there are better ways to express our views and opinions without having to resort to profanities.
Yeah, I know. I think for the most part this is a place where disagreements happen, but it doesn't get out of control. My language and post came out of frustration. I'll leave it up as a reminder to myself to think before being so...honest.

Myself, I'm just frustrated that someone would try and circumvent the process in order to acquire a visa fraudulently when so many of us have put so, so much time into.

I know I have a genuine relationship, but it worries me to know that all the evidence I have, it may still take ages for it to go through.


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Old 12-05-2017, 09:15 PM
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Keep in mind too that many of these people are being swindled out of thousands, sometimes tens of thousands, of dollars by unscrupulous scammers, who smooth-talk people into believing that they can "buy" a visa this way. In some of the countries of origin, bribery and the buying of degrees is rife and common practice.

I once came across a seemingly respectable migration agency in Manila, with links to an Australia based RMA, where local staff were producing fake employer statements for tourist visa applications.People put their trust in those agencies unfortunately and the next thing you know the Australian media are running headlines about "migration agents" scamming the system.

In my eyes, unless they are properly registered in Australia and abiding by the law, they are not "migration agents", but just crooks and imposters and people should not get involved with them.If the OP had talked to a reputable Australian registered migration agent, none of this would have happened.

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Old 12-05-2017, 09:18 PM
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Yeah, I know. I think for the most part this is a place where disagreements happen, but it doesn't get out of control. My language and post came out of frustration. I'll leave it up as a reminder to myself to think before being so...honest.

Myself, I'm just frustrated that someone would try and circumvent the process in order to acquire a visa fraudulently when so many of us have put so, so much time into.

I know I have a genuine relationship, but it worries me to know that all the evidence I have, it may still take ages for it to go through.
Believe me, I understand how you feel, my comment was aimed at the thread as a whole

In my case, my Mother is from the Middle East (Muslim background), my Father is not and we were not raised in any kind of religious household.

My partner's heritage is also from the Middle East, however all this family are Orthodox Christians.

Now, due to so many sham marriages/relationships (for visa purposes) from certain parts of the world, I've had to basically jump through hoops to prove that our relationship is genuine. Neither my partner nor myself are religious and both of our families are well aware of the whole situation and there was never an issue from day one but due to the influx of false applications, we've had to cover all basis such as "how does a girl from a half Muslim background have a relationship with an Orthodox guy?".

It's absurd, it never actually occurred to me as it's never been a topic we've had to deal with until a friend of mine brought it to my attention.

That's just one example, there are a trillion more and I completely agree; even though myself, my partner, all our friends, families, colleagues etc know that this is a genuine relationship, because of applicants falsifying documents and generally trying to cheat the system, I too keep worrying and thinking what if all our evidence just isn't enough to convince DIBP?

I have no sympathy for anyone getting caught trying to cheat their way in; they've made their bed and now they have to lie in it, as simple as that.

For the rest of us, I'm hoping the truth prevails


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one thing we can probably agree on is that this shows that the system is working and catching out some of the fraud that might be happening

It's very easy for those of us brought up in various 1st world countries to get on a high horse and cry cheat and fraud and serves you right. We forget that this is not looked at it in the same way in many countries, it's just how you have to do 'business' in a corrupt system.
Like our multinationals paying bribes and kickbacks when doing business overseas, it's a thing.

It's not to say it's not wrong, just that's their normal, and they then have to learn the hard way that it doesn't work like that here.

I have seen this on many levels, including with OS students who can't get the concept of plagiarism, to some of them it's considered a compliment to copy from someone else.

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Suppose theyíll have to adapt that mindset.
This has everything to do with personal accountability. Period.
As if you would allow any person to submit a document without first reviewing it?!
Oh, and if you go into your immi Acct - you can review your application.
The second an inconsistency is made - notify the proper authorities.
Help?
Well, perhaps this person will find a creative solution to this dilemma to add to this rapidly growing snowball.
(You proverbially as applicant - not individual I am quoting, cheers)
No high horse here either by the way.
Just trying to get a legal application in and just as subject to scrutiny - I live in fear that they will deny my 309 even though my kids and spouse are Aussie citizens. Tyvm.

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