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Old 12-05-2017, 09:31 PM
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i wasn't condoning it, just saying it is understandable.

you or I might not allow something to be submitted without reviewing it first, but some cultures it can be a huge sign of disrespect to question someone in a higher position of power than you, in their world they have to trust that person
some people might not have access to reliable internet, or just via a phone, plus have a poor understanding of the language used.

thanks heavens we are not that kind of society

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i wasn't condoning it, just saying it is understandable.

you or I might not allow something to be submitted without reviewing it first, but some cultures it can be a huge sign of disrespect to question someone in a higher position of power than you, in their world they have to trust that person
some people might not have access to reliable internet, or just via a phone, plus have a poor understanding of the language used.

thanks heavens we are not that kind of society
All valid points and that's exactly why those shonky operators get away with it. What is worse is that the DIBP gives those crooks an air of legitimacy by continuing to accept applications from them. The DIBP should restrict themselves to only accepting applications from individual applicants or legitimate Australian registered migration agents.

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All valid points and that's exactly why those shonky operators get away with it. What is worse is that the DIBP gives those crooks an air of legitimacy by continuing to accept applications from them. The DIBP should restrict themselves to only accepting applications from individual applicants or legitimate Australian registered migration agents.
Is this because anyone can be appointed as an applicant's representative making it impossible to govern?
I noticed on the DIBP that only certain MARA individuals were actually suggested for my region when I probed.

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Is this because anyone can be appointed as an applicant's representative making it impossible to govern?
I noticed on the DIBP that only certain MARA individuals were actually suggested for my region when I probed.
That is one of the problems, but I believe that both Canada and NZ only accept applications from individual applicants and legitimate agents, so it can be done. As it is now there are many rogue operators blatantly lodging applications and ripping people off with impunity.

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Did you find out about the agent before you engaged them?

They don't look great when they say "Mr. Sultan Singh Virk (Immigration Consultant), registered with OMARA and who is also a member of MIA, advises you under his vast experience for all the procedural way to migrate to Australia." and when they say "vast experience" but they only have a license since 2014 (despite practising since 2004 according to his LinkedIn).

Check out their events page on their website, does that look genuine?

On the positive, on the search they come up to show that their office is their home, and it looks very lovely, so at least you know where your money went...

As with the others, I am dubious you knew nothing of the fraud, but you should be reporting the case to MARA to help others avoid the same troubles. Did you do that?


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Did you find out about the agent before you engaged them?

They don't look great when they say "Mr. Sultan Singh Virk (Immigration Consultant), registered with OMARA and who is also a member of MIA, advises you under his vast experience for all the procedural way to migrate to Australia." and when they say "vast experience" but they only have a license since 2014 (despite practising since 2004 according to his LinkedIn).

Check out their events page on their website, does that look genuine?

On the positive, on the search they come up to show that their office is their home, and it looks very lovely, so at least you know where your money went...

As with the others, I am dubious you knew nothing of the fraud, but you should be reporting the case to MARA to help others avoid the same troubles. Did you do that?
The agent is actually registered and has an office in Victoria. The allegations made by the OP are very serious and could well lead to sanctions if they are found to be true. I urge the OP to take the matter to the OMARA and lodge a complaint, if he has a legitimate grievance. As far as I'm concerned, people are innocent until proven guilty, but if the allegations are true than this person should be de-registered.

There is of course also the possibility that someone is fraudulently using the agent's details or that the agent is working with overseas associates.

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I agree Nick, perhaps the allegations aren't true, but if true they are very serious and we want people like that sanctioned or de-registered, no matter how complicit the OP was in the process.

I think they may be as bad as each other, so nothing will be reported, but here's hoping.


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This thread has garnered a lot of emotion, and the true colours of many have come out. Having said that, even though I am applying for an Australian visa from North America, I abide by the rules and respect that there is a waiting period to process my details. I am appalled at some of the applicants on this forum that think they are owed something, and that the system is not fair. My word to you, as I feel about the many immigrants that come to my country, is wait your turn and don't think the system owes you anything. It is an honor and a privilege to be accepted to another country, and once there, you better do your part and contribute to the greater whole.

Edit: For those jumping on the OP, we don't know the details of their story. Where I come from, one is innocent until proven guilty, and I believe Australia adheres by similar rules. You're all tough guys/gals behind the keyboard, but give the guy a break. The immigration system is very complicated for many, especially for those whose native language is other than English. It is plausible that the OP was unaware of some if not all that was being done in his/her behalf.

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I agree Nick, perhaps the allegations aren't true, but if true they are very serious and we want people like that sanctioned or de-registered, no matter how complicit the OP was in the process.

I think they may be as bad as each other, so nothing will be reported, but here's hoping.
Because the agent is registered and therefore bound by the MARA Code of Conduct, there is a pathway the OP can follow if he feels he has a genuine grievance.

But it would not be the first time that a disgruntled client makes all sort of allegations, because things did not go their way.

We have to be very careful to jump to any sort of conclusions, because we don't really know the details of the matter, other than the OP's say-so.

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Keep in mind too that many of these people are being swindled out of thousands, sometimes tens of thousands, of dollars by unscrupulous scammers, who smooth-talk people into believing that they can "buy" a visa this way. In some of the countries of origin, bribery and the buying of degrees is rife and common practice.
Think of the hundreds of thousands of Latinos that risk all to sneak into America yearly. Australia has very 'different' problems being isolated with no bordering countries. Just fathom what North America goes through. We refer to RMA's as immigration lawyers here, and there are many unscrupulous ones that prey on the desperate...

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