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Old 09-28-2009, 04:38 AM
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Unhappy Defacto advice, plz help!

Hi,

Im a canadian citizin and my partner is from australia. We have been together for 3 years and living together the whole time. We never got joint bank accounts or became eachother beneficiaries because we didnt think it was necessary. We applied for our Defacto spouse visa at the end of August. We got a letter back from our CO saying we hadn't provided enough evidence. We have proof of living in Melbourne for 1 year but only had 1 bill in both our names. She knows we have been together for a long time but just wants more evidence that we are truely commited and have entrusted our finacial assets with eachother. A year ago we didnt think we would ever need to do this and know we need it and dont have it. My partners work visa is running out for Canada and we don't have many options. We dont want to get married for a visa, our CO said we could change our application if we got married. So iff anyone has any advice or has been in a similar situation I would love to hear your stories, as this is really stressing me out.

Thanks so much! Look forward to any replys.


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Old 09-28-2009, 12:02 PM
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elkitten has had a relationship background with not the usual evidence edford and she may catch up with your thread and be able to offer in more detail what she has been doing.

She has not yet had the visa granted but hopefully will not be too far away and what I suggested to her a few months back was to make up a well itemised timeline of the relationship and collect supporting evidence about that.

I see on Rowleeh's thread you mention how you have been travelling a bit and even if so, being together the three years ought to count for something in terms of commitment and if it is like you first met either in Australia or on the road somewhere, that he has gone to Canada so as you could be together and your year in Australia together shows some level of commitment and it may be that you just have to put it all together.

Make sure you have statutory declarations from family and friends that can testify to both your year in Australia, time in Canada and travelling between, and will not hurt if you can have a separate little report on travelling that highlights some of the testing times that travelling can bring - and the fact that you are still together; if the people who have known of you being together also have some insight into your travels can include that in a well structured stat. declaration, it'll not hurt.





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Hey there efford! Elkitten to the rescue!!! heehee kidding kidding!

O.k, so I'm in a similar situation--imagine, my BF and I have been together as defacto for over a year and a half, but we had zero bills in both of our names, and our lease wasn't in both of our names either--the lease was half in my name, and no bills were in my name, they were in the name of an ex roomate. To make matter WORST, my bank statements showed the wrong address--my first address in australia, not the one where my BF and i lived for 3+ years!!!!

We also didnt have a shared account for the majority of our relationship since i was being supported by my parents through university so it was obviously impossible to combine funds.

We got around this by providing bank statements for the full 1.5 years we have been together. It was a tedious process, and I'm not sure how well it has worked since I haven't heard from my CO yet, but....

We highlighted everything we paid for together--even if the bills aren't in both your names, you can find on your bank statement payments made to bills, rent, etc... we highlighted:

bill payments
rent payments (although we normally paid in cash, we highlighted big withdrawls that included rent money)
Groceries
Plane tickets
Hotel bookings
rental car bookings
christmas and valentines day presents
petrol
Vetrinary costs (we had rabbits and a dog)

The two of you, depending on your situation, could also highlight--
car insurance payments
car payments
medical insurance
Furniture and white good purchases for your apartment/house
home and contents insurance payments

Basically, whatever costs you two have shared over the past three years, show that on bank statements--just get your highlighter out and write in the margins what the payment is for.

Also like Wanderer said, make sure your statments etc address all of this--can you get more stat decs from family?Can you get photocopies of plane tickets? We provided 6 stat decs from friends, and i wrote a declaration for every part of the application (financial and so on...) to make sure everything was explained and to address any of the "fishy" issues such as my address problem (i also got my mother to confirm the issue)

There has to be some allowance and some understanding in Immi that not all defacto couples have shared accounts etc--life happens, with or without the fancy paperwork =)

Keep us posted on what happens, and I will post as soon as i get something from my CO--might not be till mid october though...apparently the states are really backed up....


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Old 09-28-2009, 04:58 PM
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Hey Elkittin,

Here's the thing. I have a car payment I have to make every month and with that Im not able to spend much on anything else. My bf ended up paying rent and the bills. They were in my name but he still paid them. They only thing we really shared the cost of was groceries once in awhile, not often, flights, hotels, hostels. Things like that. When we were in aus he paid his own car insurence and when were in canada I pay my car insurence. I like how you said life happens with or without the fancy paperwork, which is exactly how we feel. We talked to our our CO on the phone and basically told her this and she didnt say much. So hopefully we can get a bunch of things together and get this sorted out. We only got 2 stat decs done. Im not sure if anymore would help the financial part of it. I dont know. Im running out of ideas.

Thanks for your help, keep me posted!


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Hi eford, could have sworn there was a 'd' in it last night [had a long day, getting a new computer, connecting it up etc. must be the reason!] ,

And look you may not have swore at the immi officer but felt like it! eh, with
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I like how you said life happens with or without the fancy paperwork, which is exactly how we feel. We talked to our our CO on the phone and basically told her this and she didnt say much.
But you have to understand that they have a bunch of legislated regulations to go by and I'd say that with the bit about the "will" , she was just giving an example for I'd hazard a guess that there are plenty of longer term couples not having wills and some may even still keep separate bank accounts.

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"Here's the thing. I have a car payment I have to make every month and with that Im not able to spend much on anything else. My bf ended up paying rent and the bills. They were in my name but he still paid them. They only thing we really shared the cost of was groceries once in awhile, not often, flights, hotels, hostels. Things like that. When we were in aus he paid his own car insurence and when were in canada I pay my car insurence."

Like car insurance is just one thing but re the bills your Bf paid, did he do that through bank payments or even if he did it with cash, he must have got the money from somewhere, so use whatever statements are available and by the sounds of it, get the whole relationship history better detailed with as you say, more stat. declarations.

The immigration do not want to stop genuine relationships from proceeding via immigration but they do have a role of scrutinising applications to ensure they are genuine.





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Hi again,

I understand your frustration my fellow Canadian =)

The way i see it, what you describe can be used to your advantage--you have been together for so long, and he has been supporting you a lot during this time, right?

So write a statement--say that you could only affrd to pay for car insurance for whatever reason and that you BF has been supporting the both of you (that shows a lot of dedication--if you two werent a real couple, why, oh why, would he be paying for rent etc??? get my drift?)

Then, get copies of your bills fr the past year or however much you can...

then, provide bank statements like i said--highlight ANY shared costs on yours, including car insurance (did your bf use this car? if so, write that in your "financial" statement). Then on his--highlight EVERYTHING that went towards both of you--groceries, rent, bills etc.

you will be surprised at how much stuff you will fnd on there!

ask your CO ifyou can show documentation for the past year or so, and not the whole three years--it will get your documents to him/her faster, but you may have to do all three years.

By declarations, sure, stuff from your friends and family probably wont help, but one written by you to explain will!

life does happen without all the fancy paperwork, like i said.... but there will always be a paper trail, somewhere, or stuff you have done... i spent three (yes 3) months trying to get phone records...they were there it was just a matter of getting the phone company to tell me the truth (no small feat!!!!).

Don't loose hope--look through statements and ideas will come to you.

My BF and i had to base most of our case on them due to a lack of "fancy" aka both of our name paperwork.

Keep us posted...remember, you can doooooooooo it =)


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Old 09-29-2009, 04:30 PM
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Thanks Wanderer & Elkitten!

Getting advice from other people really helps.

Anyway I see what your saying about why they have to make sure the relationship is genuine. We have proved it through many pictures, mail etc. We did a time line sorta thing in the statement of our relationship letters. in those letters it explains where we were and for how long everything like that.

He has supported me alot! Pretty much the whole time we have been together. So we will write a letter explaining everyting, that should help.

We have spent the afternoon retrieving all of our bank and credit card statements and highlighted everything. I will go back through and highlight my car insurence and my loan payment for my truck. In the letter I will explain I had car payments and with that wasn't able to coveer rent aswell. So Brian supported us both.

Hopefully we will get everything sent off soon so I can update you.

Thanks for the words guys, its helped!


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Hey Guys,

Im writing another one to see if it will post. lol

I have tried posting a reply 3 times and it wont show up.

Anyway Thanks alot for the words, it helps when you talk to ppl with similar stories.

Ok so we did a time line sorta thing in our statement of our relationship letters. It explained everything. Where we were and the dates we were there. Is that what you mean? I undertsnad then wanting to make sure our relationship is genuine, but man i sent in so many pictures, envelopes with both naames for the past year, etc. What more do they need. I really hope the highlighting of the bills work, any idea if it will or not? They will be able to see on my bf's bank statements that he has clearly supported me for a long time and we will write that in a letter explaoining why.

Anyway have you heard anything yet? For your visa?


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I think the bank statements will do the job perfectly and the letter also--from what you said, it sounds like your CO wants more financial evidence and bank statements will surely do the trick. There is nothing you can do for the fact you dont have "tidy"evidence, and going through the effort of highlighting bank statements will help if not satisfy what your CO wants.

I'm pretty sure the statement thing will work, i don't see why it wouldn't, unless the CO thought that you were hiding something...or that it didn't show that you two "share" money and monetary responsibilities. Make sure you give your CO your statements too to show where all your money went.

I think you should be fine--since you will probably hear from your CO before me, make sure to let me know how you go!!!

Nothing from my CO yet. So far, all i got was the e-mail stating that they had officially received my application and that my CO was assigned. I got that two weeks after they took the money out of the account too. I'm not even getting anything confirming whether or not he received other things i sent in so I am assuming that he is pretty busy...maybe I will e-mail him.

If only they kept some sort of Blog so i knew what he was working on.... *sigh* i miss my BF terribly too, he had to go back to Oz two and a half months ago now.


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Old 09-29-2009, 07:12 PM
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Heyy

When did yo first send in your app? Have you done your medical checks yet? That crazy they took so long to notify you. They notified me the day it got there and took the money soon after. I made my med check appt before I had all the stat decs back from Australia, so I went for my check then the stat dec came the next day, worked out good. Now if the rest of it was this easy. :S

That sucks your bf had to go back. mine is still here he still has a year left on his canadian visa. However he has work waiting for him in Melbourne but he told them he isnt going back until we get my visa, so thats good that they understand. Where about in OZ will you guys be?

Ya by the sounds of it she just wants to see financial evidence. Hopefully this shows enough. We have highlighed everything on mine and my bf's statements so she can clearly see where all our money went to.

Talk soon!!


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