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Old 12-15-2018, 01:57 AM
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Hi, I am in fairly serious contact with Ukrainian woman.
Would like to know the best way to her her gain Australian citizenship.
I am thinking forward some what at the moment as we are meeting up in Thailand for 10 days in the new year.
All going well I plan to visit Inna in Kyiv to meet her family, children etc.
Then we plan for Inna to visit Australia for a few months as holiday.
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It will be a long time for her to gain citizenship if applying under a partnership visa. Due to the processing times of the visas, it is probably about 6 to 7 years to gain citizenship from when you apply for a prospective marriage visa.

Partner visas require a lot of evidence. You can either do prospective marriage visa and then get married in Australia within 9 months of the visa grant and then apply for a spouse visa onshore.

The other option is to get married out of Australia and then apply for an offshore partner visa.

The PMV is the better option is you are just meeting as it does not require as much evidence the spouse visa. The spouse visa requires things like joint finances, joint bills etc. The spouse visa is not as easy if you are not living together as it is harder to gather evidence.

If she has skills you can see if she can get a skilled visa - this option is so much better than a partner visa.

Just so you know it is extremely hard for someone from Ukraine to get a tourist visa for Australia, you may need to explore other options if it is not granted. She would need to show that she can support herself while in Australia and from what I know their wages are very low compared to Australia so it can be hard to show this.

The best advice is don't rush into it. Partner visas are very stressful and you need a very strong relationship to survive the process due to how stressful it is - there is a lot of gathering evidence and waiting to hear something from immigration.

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Old 12-15-2018, 05:17 AM
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Thanks Mish,
So with PMV when can this be lodged and how long would that take to be granted.
Inna also has an adult daughter 19. They are both skilled, Inna is accountant and daughter is in management position with in a company that is also in Australia. Is this a helpful for our situation? As Inna would need her daughter to be able to join us!
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She would need to show that her daughter is dependent on her to be able to have her come.

An accountant is on the skilled shortage list. Personally I would do a consult with a registered agent and explore the skilled visa route as it is faster.

The PMV they say 75% of applications are processed within 16 months from memory. That just means anytime from 1 day to 16 months for 75% of applications. It can be lodged technically as soon as you have met in person and are engaged. The requirement is to marry within 9 months of the visa grant and have met in person.

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You seem sincere but go in with eyes wide open. Australian men and women are targeted by the unscrupulous who use online romancing for one purpose only : as a pathway to gaining citizenship. Be aware of that fact and don't let yourself be used. Good luck with your relationship but take it slowly and don't get pushed into anything you're not comfortable with.

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Perhaps some advice from Ampk on this would be helpful. If anyone knows how hard it was to bring a woman (and children) over from the Ukraine, it’s him.

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Thanks Riley,
Fully aware of possible gain by deception. Will certainly go into this with very open mind to all aspects of life.


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You seem sincere but go in with eyes wide open. Australian men and women are targeted by the unscrupulous who use online romancing for one purpose only : as a pathway to gaining citizenship. Be aware of that fact and don't let yourself be used. Good luck with your relationship but take it slowly and don't get pushed into anything you're not comfortable with.
That's a tough pitch and you got me thinking. How could one know if the act is so perfect to hide the true agenda? I know my lady has looked at USA and UK options before me. She clearly wanted to leave her country before I met her. I have discussed this with her and she has a desire to leave her country and I am obliging. She has given me every document the Immi. Dep. requires and has stayed the course so far. I was expecting some wavering of belief from her but she remains solid so far.

My other doubt is, when once here she doesn't become homesick, missing her friends and family but again she says she will be okay. People at times tend to be all confident on doing something only to have massive expectations unrealised.

Crikey, I hope this Visa process doesn't turn up something unexpected.


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WYSIWYG.
Thanks for you input. Was wondering if your partner is Ukrainian?
Have you visited her in the Ukraine. If so what city?
Everyone is very uncertain of anyone from Ukraine I find. Do you get the same with all your research?
What is your goals moving forward as a couple?

I am in Melbourne where are you at mate?


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WYSIWYG.
Thanks for you input. Was wondering if your partner is Ukrainian?
Have you visited her in the Ukraine. If so what city?
Everyone is very uncertain of anyone from Ukraine I find. Do you get the same with all your research?
What is your goals moving forward as a couple?

I am in Melbourne where are you at mate?
Ukraine is in conflict with Russia and it is likely assumed there would be a higher number of people wanting to escape to a more peaceful and certain life.

My partner is Russian. We are very close to submitting the application for a Prospective Marriage Visa.

The usual feedback when mentioning a partner from Russia is the mail order bride quip. I suppose this stems from the Agencies before the internet era began that offered connections to Russian women via paper letters. We met through EHarmony on the internet and she was more straight forward than any Aussie woman I have been with. I had decided before EHarmony that should I draw a serious woman (I was dealt many "catfish"), I would go to meet her anywhere in the world.

I estimated a 3 to 6 month get-to-know period would be ample to see if she was serious about relationship and we would be compatible regarding interests and activities. Upon her urging, it was within two months of meeting online when I flew to Moscow to meet her in person in Oct./Nov. this year.

I have enough people experience to be a fair judge of personality. She was of excellent character and it was like we had been best friends for a very long time. It was a natural progression for her to apply for the PMV with me being the 'sponsor'.

I expect a lengthy wait on the Visa as most people experience so in the meantime I will visit her again. The travel experience is also enjoyable.

I am in Queensland. You can tell me about your experience if you want. Thanks.


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