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Old 01-13-2019, 09:56 AM
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Yes if people want an Agent they sure have that choice. We did not know Migration Agents existed prior to applying online through the ImmiAccount dedicated application. It is after browsing this forum we knew.

If the ImmiAccount online application process was complex then we sure would have engaged an Agent but thankfully the ImmiAccount creators have been specific with the questions and requirements.

After completing the application online, I cannot see several thousand dollars of work that is asked of Migration Agents. Considering we provide all the information, it is simply a matter of placing it in the appropriate sections of the ImmiAccount, which we did.

I have saved thousands upon thousands of dollars in my life by saying no to exorbitant fees for tasks that, upon research and trial, are all too easy.
Due a bungled Visitor Visa application prior to a PMV application the resultant cost was around $80,000 Australian bucks for the 820 to be granted with 2 kids.

I would loved back then to have paid $3K and not gone to war with immi.


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After completing the application online, I cannot see several thousand dollars of work that is asked of Migration Agents.
Same can be said of mechanic's fees. How quickly it can add up! They once tried to charge me over $700 to fix something that I ended up doing myself for $60. And that $60 part came with a warranty so if I ever needed to replace it in the future (which I did), it ended up costing me nothing but my time. Even regularly scheduled maintenance checks can costs hundreds of dollars for someone to do all the things you could do yourself if you knew what to look for.

But some people don't trust themselves to work on their own car, or even monitor their fluid levels. I'm sure everyone knows someone (or knows someone that knows someone) that had their engine seize up because they didn't realize that they needed to maintain the motor oil.

People don't work on their own cars usually because they don't have the time to learn how to do it, or tools, or because they're afraid of making a mistake and breaking something or creating a new issue. Similar reasons for hiring an RMA. The RMAs already know the regulation and policies, they have plenty of experience in that area to know what the pitfalls are, they have the tools (e.g. PAM3), and they can prevent you from making other mistakes that can happen after applying.

We chose to do our own applications and we were successful. But not everyone is capable of doing it on their own. They may not be good with computers, not know where to even begin organizing their documents, don't have the time to do their research, or maybe English isn't their first language and they have a hard time understanding what they need to do. Some people might be fully capable of doing it themselves but just want the peace of mind knowing that a professional has double checked every thing and they aren't making any devastating mistakes, not only with the application itself but afterwards as well. So an RMA's services extend beyond just submitting the application.

Not saying everyone should use one. Like already mentioned, we got all three partner visa grants without one so yeah, I'm all for doing it yourself. But I do read posts on here and even with everything I have learned about the process, I know I would be consulting a professional if I were in their position, probably because I know what the consequences are if things don't go the right way.


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After completing the application online, I cannot see several thousand dollars of work that is asked of Migration Agents.
Registered Migration Agents charge an hourly rate similar to accountants and other professionals, but generally much less than a lawyer. They also have some expensive overheads: registration, professional indemnity insurrance, subscriptions to LegendCom, sophisticated IT systems and software etc.

You’d typically allow 20 to 30 hours for a partner visa application, from initial assessment, collating of documentation, preparing a detailed submission and lodging the application to monitoring the processing until a decision has been made, dealing with requests for further information, visa medicals, updates of addresses and passports, client inquiries and so on.

Once you factor all that in, you’ll see that the rate is quite reasonable and definitely not “ exorbitant”.

It’s like this with many things, I can do my own tax, but prefer to pay a professional, who usually saves me enough time and money to justify his fee. I used to fix my own cars, but with modern cars that is no longer possible, unless you want to spend thousands on tools and specialised diagnostic computers. You can mow your own lawn and wash your own dog or choose to pay someone to do it for you. The list is endless, although I’d draw the line at dentistry. But I’m sure there is a blog somewhere telling you how to do it yourself!

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You don't necessarily have to pay for the entire application to be overseen, if there's something specific you're unsure about then you could do a few small consultations. Advice from someone who has specialist training and has done 100s of applications is going to be far more valuable than the experts on google who have only done their own.

Best of luck with the application.

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I used to fix my own cars, but with modern cars that is no longer possible, unless you want to spend thousands on tools and specialised diagnostic computers.
I had an electrical issue with my Datsun once and tried to take it to a place to get fixed. The wiring harness needed to be replaced which involved ripping out the whole dash, something I did not feel like doing. Because there was no way to plug it into something to tell him what was wrong, he wouldn't work on it! And the nearest Z specialist garage was 6 hours away from me.

I do miss that car.


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No I have not seen. Can you direct me to this information please?
You can access PAM 3 through the LexisNexis portal, a US based legal research site that most lawyers have access to. Otherwise you can subscribe to it or Legend.com.

Alternatively you can view it at the State Library in NSW and Victoria as well as the University of Melbourne.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/work/134417...on=NBD28064360

Also a few years back someone put a link on reddit to access it.


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I believe you can access LegsndCom for free at some libraries. A non-commercial subscription is $420 for a year. Accessing PAM3 without proper training and understanding of the Migration Regulations and the Migration Act will have very little value for most people.

As far as mechanics are concerned, many years ago I completely stripped and rebuilt an old HQ Holden. The final job was to connect one single electrical wire and despite having been off the road for 6 months, the car started at the first attempt. I used a Holden manual that you could buy from newsagents back then. I would not dream to try and do this with a modern car. Neither would I try to read and understand a currrent factory manual. Once a year I take the car in for service by an expert and unless one of the dashboard lights comes on, I leave it alone.

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Hi, I sponsored my fiancÚ, now wife from Ukraine to Australia in 2016 on the PMV300 820/801. I found the online application very easy to use and all required documentation was not difficult to obtain, I certainly did not need an agent to help us with that. With a few other issues I called immigration for assistance, they were super friendly and helpful. The entire process of the visa went smoothly with no hiccups at all, I uploaded plenty, possibly more than needed, information/evidence and all stages of the visa were approved without any hiccups. So even with the few questions I had, I did not need to pay an agent to help me with them. I think that if the relationship is genuine, you know how to write up evidence reports and provide all required docs, then I see no reason to pay huge fees for assistance. For my wife and I, we had "simple/ordinary" lives and our relationship is 100% genuine, makes the process very easy for all I'd think.

Hope you get approval soon......you may request my private details for assistance if required....free of charge.

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Dinosaurs67,

If your application was for the PMV in 2016, then your application will not have been processed in Russia - normally Ukraine now is done at what they call the European Processing centre in London. There is very good reason it was moved there and I am probably a large reason for that move.

There were a few Case Officers (and higher up) in Moscow that had a few please explains from higher up people in Australia about my Ukrainian partners Visitor Visa and PMV applications. There were some pretty big errors that then came back to bite them as they tried to sweep them under the carpet.

As for calling immigration for advice - that is very dangerous no matter how nice and helpful they are. Many people have had suffered greatly from taking the advice from immigration staff that simply are not qualified to give that advice nor are they accountable for giving false/wrong advice.

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Hi, I sponsored my fiancÚ, now wife from Ukraine to Australia in 2016 on the PMV300 820/801. I found the online application very easy to use and all required documentation was not difficult to obtain, I certainly did not need an agent to help us with that. With a few other issues I called immigration for assistance, they were super friendly and helpful. The entire process of the visa went smoothly with no hiccups at all, I uploaded plenty, possibly more than needed, information/evidence and all stages of the visa were approved without any hiccups. So even with the few questions I had, I did not need to pay an agent to help me with them. I think that if the relationship is genuine, you know how to write up evidence reports and provide all required docs, then I see no reason to pay huge fees for assistance. For my wife and I, we had "simple/ordinary" lives and our relationship is 100% genuine, makes the process very easy for all I'd think.

Hope you get approval soon......you may request my private details for assistance if required....free of charge.
Please correct me if wrong - but NONE of your visas were processed in Russia.(with love)


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