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Old 05-04-2019, 09:53 AM
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I am perfectly capable of lodging my own tax returns, yet I pay a professional to do it for me. He always saves me time and money and I donít need to deal with the ATO myself.

Itís a matter of choice really, although I have seen enough DIY applications to come to the conclusion that many people are poorly equipped to deal with the process themselves.
Does 'set aside' mean refused/not approved? I am surprised by the high number of 309 set aside (as that is what I am applying for, of course, that is what I went to directly).

If it does mean refused, why so high?


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Set aside:-

To revoke the decision under review – the original decision is deemed not to have been made. A tribunal sets aside a decision when it decides that the primary decision should be changed. When a tribunal sets aside a primary decision it may substitute a new decision in place of the primary decision


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maybe so but there are arguments both ways and I even do my own conveyancing when moving house quite a lotiover many years and online estate agent nowadays .
Of course people without a good education or not used to paperwork would need an agent . naturally it your business and you must promote it as I would do if i was an agent . On a tricky point where an agent might have come across it , worth paying an agent a fee for clarification and to avoid time consuming "googling" but most agents want to do the whole process and it is very expensive I imagine with high costs in OZ . I think it was on another thread where agent unaware of that rule . Should have been as it is shown under conditions on visa application page online , either mandatory or at discretion of Officer . Using an agent or not would not help re planning as only officer knows what will happen and what prejudices or discrimination he or she will have .


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To revoke the decision under review Ė the original decision is deemed not to have been made. A tribunal sets aside a decision when it decides that the primary decision should be changed. When a tribunal sets aside a primary decision it may substitute a new decision in place of the primary decision
Thanks, though that is even more confusing. It must include appeals, but I don't see a column that clearly denoted rejections, unless I am missing something.


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. I think it was on another thread where agent unaware of that rule . Should have been as it is shown under conditions on visa application page online ,
Please clarify this - I mean you need to clarify this!!!!!

I have been on this forum for many years now and so have many others, I have gone to several RMA's to assure a correct and legal reply on a number of occasions and been given that every time - unlike other sites where a MRA accused me of being a RMA and not identifying myself as such (he is a tool).


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Quite honestly as an "oldiie" I sometimes forget where I get info but will tell you if I come across it again. I certainly did not dream it up as I researched it later and found
that the info was false or not detailed enough .As I said , I saw the agent article by googling and it was not on this particular immigration site , Sorry about that .


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maybe so but there are arguments both ways and I even do my own conveyancing when moving house
I have no doubt that some people are perfectly capable of doing their own conveyancing and there is never a problem, until there is one.I have been told that something as basic as conveyancing is in the top 10 of legal disputes.It is also one of the most common reasons for complaints against solicitors who haven't done their job properly, because they simply haven't charged enough to cover all bases. It is one of those areas where a lot of people are practicing, who probably shouldn't be.

With migration, it is not just a matter of having a good education and being able to deal with complex paperwork or online systems. Being familiar with the process is also a big plus and most people will never become familiar with it, because they'll only ever do one application in their lifetime.

For others, it is just a matter of convenience. It is not my practice to scare people into seeking professional advice, but I have seen enough over the years to conclude that many people are simply not capable of doing it themselves. I have also seen some very smart people make some terrible , and quite unnecessary, mistakes.What is a simple process for some, may be an uphill battle for others.

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Thanks, though that is even more confusing. It must include appeals, but I don't see a column that clearly denoted rejections, unless I am missing something.
I just looked at the figures you are looking at.

They are not related to normal applications.

They are figures from AAT. the administrative appeals tribunal, and they are ALL appeals.

The numbers for the 309's are therefore:

950 Appeals were assessed from the numerous visa rejections, in 2016-17
Only 337 of these were upheld and sent back to Immigration for re-assessment.
530 were set aside, (ie Rejected) and the rest withdrawn or "other".

I have read that there were 6,190 Partner Visas refused in 2015-16. This includes Offshore and Onshore. From about 57,000 applications.

There is no split on 'agent' and 'non-agent' applications for those particular figures.

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I just looked at the figures you are looking at.

They are not related to normal applications.

They are figures from AAT. the administrative appeals tribunal, and they are ALL appeals.

The numbers for the 309's are therefore:

950 Appeals were assessed from the numerous visa rejections, in 2016-17
Only 337 of these were upheld and sent back to Immigration for re-assessment.
530 were set aside, (ie Rejected) and the rest withdrawn or "other".

I have read that there were 6,190 Partner Visas refused in 2015-16. This includes Offshore and Onshore. From about 57,000 applications.

There is no split on 'agent' and 'non-agent' applications for those particular figures.
would be interesting to see the reasons why applications were rejected as most people
would know from their research and notes on Governmemnt sites if they were highly
likely to be appoved . So I am surprised the rejection figure is so high.


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would be interesting to see the reasons why applications were rejected as most people
would know from their research and notes on Governmemnt sites if they were highly
likely to be appoved . So I am surprised the rejection figure is so high.
From what I have seen, some people do little research.
Others can't prove relationship for various reasons. I saw one the other day, where the married couple have seperate addresses in the same area, and thought it would be OK.

Sometimes little mistakes look big to the CO.

One in ten being a fake relationship, although unlikely, is not impossible either.

A combination of various reasons is very feasible.


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