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Old 08-10-2019, 11:35 AM
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Obviously they are constantly looking for business as anyone would be in their position I guess . perhaps a modest fee for answering a question would be good for those visa applicants and their sponsors who can not be bothered to do own research or too busy to do so . anyway , best of luck .
I provide 15, 30 and 60 minute consultations as well as fixed fees for the entire visa application process.

I provide some free advice on this forum and in a volunteer role elsewhere when I feel like it. I don’t use this forum to taut for business, although the exposure is of course a bonus.

What I strongly dislike is the expectation that registered migration agents should provide free advice or a free initial consultation. Not sure why people think I should work for free for them. I doubt they would provide any free services themselves.

Not everyone uses a registered migration agent, because their case is complicated. Many people just do not want to deal with it on their own. It’s no different from using an accountant, a mechanic , a gardener or some other service provider.
I’ve always compared using an agent to getting a manicure, or going out for a meal. Yes, you can technically do your own nails and cook your own meal, but for something important, you’d see a pro.

I have a cut and dry 309 application in, and there was no doubt to use an agent - it’s too important of a process to us personally to not pay a professional to handle it.


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Old 08-10-2019, 03:45 PM
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Yes, I have pointed out this ethically ill-advised practice out in the past to the chagrin of some of the agents here. One particular agent who has already responded here has tirelessly given many people assistance without ever stating the all too familiar phrase "you might consider contacting a migration agent". I do not lump him in with the others. I have since sent copies of some of the more blatant solicitations to MARNA, we'll see if they do anything about it. They did respond with an RFI for contact details, so at the very least their names will be on their radar I suppose. Also when any other form of visa help is displayed, they all shout it down or remove the post. One has to wonder what is going on in the back rooms here. In any other arena this practice would be investigated and halted.


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Yes, I have pointed out this ethically ill-advised practice out in the past to the chagrin of some of the agents here. One particular agent who has already responded here has tirelessly given many people assistance without ever stating the all too familiar phrase "you might consider contacting a migration agent". I do not lump him in with the others. I have since sent copies of some of the more blatant solicitations to MARNA, we'll see if they do anything about it. They did respond with an RFI for contact details, so at the very least their names will be on their radar I suppose. Also when any other form of visa help is displayed, they all shout it down or remove the post. One has to wonder what is going on in the back rooms here. In any other arena this practice would be investigated and halted.
Peter Bollard and George Lombard have been recommended very often for medical issues here- I have never seen them post here nor asked for their names to be removed.


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I’ve always compared using an agent to getting a manicure, or going out for a meal. .
I have never been compared to a manicurist or a chef, but I don't mind. I like your analogy.

I do my own book keeping and I am perfectly capable of lodging my own tax returns. I choose to use an accountant, so he can check that all the financial documents are correct and he can deal with the tax office on my behalf. He saves me a lot of time (which I can use to make money in my own business) and nearly always saves me money.

There are many questions on this forum that cannot be answered here or that can only be answered in very general terms. Many people do not fully disclose their situation in their posts or are confused about their situation.

In many instances the only correct advice is for someone to go and talk to a Registered Migration Agent. When I post that advice, I do not mean that they must consult me personally, although at times I do invite people to contact me directly for further clarification or to refer them and of course I am happy to assist, if I can.

I often tell people to go and see a RMA in their local area for a face to face consultation. For complicated issues, I also regularly refer people to one of the accredited migration specialists that I know.

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Also when any other form of visa help is displayed, they all shout it down or remove the post. One has to wonder what is going on in the back rooms here. In any other arena this practice would be investigated and halted.
Very little help is shouted down or removed.

The exception to this might be where someone states that they are a migration agent, but not does follow the rules regarding displaying their regstration number.

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Yes, I have pointed out this ethically ill-advised practice out in the past to the chagrin of some of the agents here. One particular agent who has already responded here has tirelessly given many people assistance without ever stating the all too familiar phrase "you might consider contacting a migration agent". I do not lump him in with the others. I have since sent copies of some of the more blatant solicitations to MARNA, we'll see if they do anything about it. They did respond with an RFI for contact details, so at the very least their names will be on their radar I suppose. Also when any other form of visa help is displayed, they all shout it down or remove the post. One has to wonder what is going on in the back rooms here. In any other arena this practice would be investigated and halted.
Personally, I find this quite a dispiriting response.

In the couple of years I have been around this forum, I have found that all the agents who post regularly (and there aren't that many) give consistent and accurate advice on a vast range of questions; some simple and some extremely complex. If they suggest seeking a bespoke consultation it is because the nature of question/issue is too complex or too personal to the poster's unique circumstances to be able to be properly answered on a public forum. It is also the case that an answer which is specific to the poster may mislead others in a similar but not identical situation.

Usually forum members, particularly the regulars, provide excellent advice, but there are situations where the personal experiences of other forum members may be of little assistance to a poster. No one is "shouted down", but if incorrect advice, however well-meaning, is given then it is appropriate that it is corrected.

None of the agents who post here are aggressively touting for business or spamming the forum with adverts. None of us need to, rather we enjoy helping out where we can. In any case, it is not illegal or unethical for Registered Migration Agents to advertise, so I am not sure why you would think reporting to MARA any of the agents who give freely of their time and expertise on this forum is either necessary or appropriate. What is however explicitly illegal is the provision of migration advice in Australia, by anyone who is not a Registered Migration Agent. This should be reported to Border Watch.

Any forum has its own distinct atmosphere, and no one has to be here. If you don't like the tone of the conversations, there are plenty of immigration "advice" sites where there are no RMAs involved in the discussions. Personally, I think that having a few professionally qualified people helping out improves the quality of this forum, and others like it, no end.

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