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sad that these immigration sites are concerned with attracting business

sad that these immigration sites nowadays seem to be mainly concerned with attracting business for migration agents . Most questions can be answered by referring to government site and by googling. If your situation is UNIQUE , surely a migration agent could not answer your question definitivelty and would just give an opinion based on logic . I saw the following from an agent and I doubt it is true if one could check the official statistics . It is the overselling of their services which I do not like with even the simplest question on one immigration forum, NOT this one , getting standard reply " consult an agent " . Obviously they are constantly looking for business as anyone would be in their position I guess . perhaps a modest fee for answering a question would be good for those visa applicants and their sponsors who can not be bothered to do own research or too busy to do so . anyway , best of luck .

Partner visas are easy,’ some visa applicants and their sponsors say, dismissing the need for immigration assistance. The statistics suggest a much different reality.

A Freedom of Information (FOI) request to the Department of Home Affairs earlier this year exposed a startling picture on the visa refusal rates of the offshore Subclass 309/100 – Partner and onshore Subclass 820/801 – Partner visa when a migration agent is not appointed (and therefore assumed to have not assisted with the application).

The statistics for the 2015/16 financial year revealed that 63.4% of partner visas lodged did not appoint a migration agent, while in the 2016/17 financial year it was 59.6%. This is not surprising.

What is surprising is the visa refusal rates for unrepresented applicants. In the 2015/16 financial year it was an incredible 53.8%. In 2016/17, it was not much better at 47%. Average both years and it comes to just above half of all do-it-yourself partner visa applications being refused.

What could be the cause of these visa refusals? Many factors come to mind, including:


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sad that these immigration sites nowadays seem to be mainly concerned with attracting business for migration agents . Most questions can be answered by referring to government site and by googling. If your situation is UNIQUE , surely a migration agent could not answer your question definitivelty and would just give an opinion based on logic . I saw the following from an agent and I doubt it is true if one could check the official statistics . It is the overselling of their services which I do not like with even the simplest question on one immigration forum, NOT this one , getting standard reply " consult an agent " . Obviously they are constantly looking for business as anyone would be in their position I guess . perhaps a modest fee for answering a question would be good for those visa applicants and their sponsors who can not be bothered to do own research or too busy to do so . anyway , best of luck .

Partner visas are easy, some visa applicants and their sponsors say, dismissing the need for immigration assistance. The statistics suggest a much different reality.

A Freedom of Information (FOI) request to the Department of Home Affairs earlier this year exposed a startling picture on the visa refusal rates of the offshore Subclass 309/100 Partner and onshore Subclass 820/801 Partner visa when a migration agent is not appointed (and therefore assumed to have not assisted with the application).

The statistics for the 2015/16 financial year revealed that 63.4% of partner visas lodged did not appoint a migration agent, while in the 2016/17 financial year it was 59.6%. This is not surprising.

What is surprising is the visa refusal rates for unrepresented applicants. In the 2015/16 financial year it was an incredible 53.8%. In 2016/17, it was not much better at 47%. Average both years and it comes to just above half of all do-it-yourself partner visa applications being refused.

What could be the cause of these visa refusals? Many factors come to mind, including:
I saw those figures before, but also another FOI report (FA180700438) showed this:

A Freedom of Information report from Australian Immigration, has shown the numbers of Partner Visa Refusals, distributed between applications lodged with and without a Migration agent, and finalised in 2017/18.

The figures below, taken from that report, show:

13.23% of offshore partner visa applications lodged WITH a Migration agent were refused.
12.36% of onshore partner visa applications lodged WITH a Migration agent were refused.

7.39% of offshore partner visa applications lodged WITHOUT a Migration agent were refused.
8.13% of onshore partner visa applications lodged WITHOUT a Migration agent were refused.

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thanks for that . wow , so that agent's figures were WAY OUT and not sure
how they get away with it but obviously no false advertising legislation
in OZ . thanks again


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I am not sure what is actually right or wrong. Some statistics can be read in different ways.

But we don't seem to hear about many refusals compared to grants, on the forum.

And of course some of these migration agents might be offshore agents...


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true but a massive difference between the two sets of figures even though different years . Some of the reasons in that article at end made me wonder how some people would even apply and pay the huge fee when
obvious to anyone with a modicum of intelligence that the application was
doomed to failure. When my ex wife applied in 2014 , I used this forum and
got useful info or a second opinion from helpful folk and also did not hear of anyone who was not successful but maybe such aplicants would be so
devastated and would not post the result .


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In 16+ years I have not had a finalised partner appilcation refused. I have represented/advised DIY applicants who were refused and have had only one such application refused.

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I am a bit confused by your 2nd sentence as seems to be conflicting statements but I must be misunderstanding . But what about Jand E's
post which shows that less chance of success using an agent in one year which is
a little surprising but might be linked to an agent having too many cases to attend to whereas aan applicant doing it herself or himself can focus 100% on the task - human nature really .


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Wrussell's comment is interesting as it might explain some inconsistency with statistics.

His later assistance with an applicants previous refusal (either from another agent or a DIY application) might even have that refusal linked to an agent.

Who knows for sure how these statistics are created.

There are two sets of figures from FOI's, very different and both seem puzzling.


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Try an FoI request to the DHA for the relative success rates of: DIY, managed by unregistered migration agents, managed by registered migration agents and similarly to the AAT, leaving out unregistered in this case, then lodge another FoI for the reasons for refusal in registered migration agent cases.

The are lies, damned lies and statistics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies,_...and_statistics

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The are lies, damned lies and statistics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies,_...and_statistics
To be fair your statistics are biased too...

You have 100% success rate because you can tell when a potential client is not eligible so you refuse them. (I don't blame you for it).

Just because you got a visa for your client doesn't mean your client would not have succeeded in getting this visa if they had attempted to apply alone. By definition if they got the visa it means they were eligible, so just because they did not feel comfortable doing the application themselves do not mean they would not have succeeded if they had given it a try.

And conversely: just because an unrepresented applicant was refused a visa, it doesn't mean you would necessarily have succeeded in getting it for them. If they were not eligible you cannot perform any miracle and magically create supporting documents out of thin air. No agent can change the fact that some people are simply not eligible to get a visa.


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