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Old 06-27-2020, 06:03 AM
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Whether you get a Visitor Visa or not, does not depend on the money you have. It depends on your ethnicity.

When my Australian ex-wife brought me here, I was given a Visitor Visa for one year despite having left my job, having no saving, my ex-wife herself having no job, and having no reason to come back since I was just waiting for a Partner Visa.

When my Asian current-wife applied for a Visitor Visa, with proofs of her salary, a letter from her employer of 17 years saying he was giving her a sabbatical and she could come back anytime to work for him, a bank statement with thousands in savings, and a document showing she owns an apartment in her country of origin, the Visa was refused on the ground that her "income is comparatively low". This is how they worded it, and I still consider this the most horrible thing the Department of Immigration has done to us.

They are racists, plain and simple.
Oh wow that is ridiculously unfair
Did she ever end up getting a 600 on reapplication?


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Old 06-27-2020, 06:19 AM
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Oh wow that is ridiculously unfair
Did she ever end up getting a 600 on reapplication?
No, we did not try. She was eligible for an eVisa so she took one, came three months, then we spent one week in NewZealand on a holiday and re-entered and she stayed three months more. So in the end we spent our six months together whether they liked it or not. Their stupid discrimination just costed us the trip to New Zealand (and she paid for it because she is richer than I am, which shows you just how stupid their decision was).

She was granted the PMV a couple months after she had to fly back so we have left this behind us. But we do not hold the agents processing Visitor VIsas in high regard, for sure. And I am sadly not able to give any good news to anyone applying for a Visitor Visa, as my experience is that they are completely random at best, and highly discriminatory at worst.


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Old 06-27-2020, 06:30 AM
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Whether you get a Visitor Visa or not, does not depend on the money you have. It depends on your ethnicity.

When my Australian ex-wife brought me here, I was given a Visitor Visa for one year despite having left my job, having no saving, my ex-wife herself having no job, and having no reason to come back since I was just waiting for a Partner Visa.

When my Asian current-wife applied for a Visitor Visa, with proofs of her salary, a letter from her employer of 17 years saying he was giving her a sabbatical and she could come back anytime to work for him, a bank statement with thousands in savings, and a document showing she owns an apartment in her country of origin, the Visa was refused on the ground that her "income is comparatively low". This is how they worded it, and I still consider this the most horrible thing the Department of Immigration has done to us.

They are racists, plain and simple.
I don't think it depends on the money you have, or your ethnicity, unless Australian immigration prefers Asian to European.

Who would you say are the racists. Which country?

A total of 3,016,451 Visitor visas were granted during the first half of 2019-20.

The top 8 countries, making up over half of those grants (1,681,128), were 6 in Asia, and 2 in Europe.
63.8% of grants went to nationals of those Asian countries
36.2% of grants went to nationals of those European countries.

I find that there are many varied reasons for a rejection.

Take two Asian visitor visa applicants.

One who was working, and with a very decent bank balance, a father working in the US, who was also supporting the applicant (his daughter) in the Philippines, and an Aunt in Australia, who was offering accommodation and support too. Her visitor visa application was refused.

Another, also from the Philippines, but no bank account, no money of her own. She was granted a visitor visa.

The embassy staff in the Philippines grant one Filipina but refuse the other. I can't see that is really racism.

If it was racism, why do they still grant so many visas?


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When my Australian ex-wife brought me here, I was given a Visitor Visa for one year despite having left my job, having no saving, my ex-wife herself having no job, and having no reason to come back since I was just waiting for a Partner Visa.
That is the same situation for my wife when she applied for her first visitor visa from the Philippines. No Job, No assets, no reason to go back as no link to family. She, an Asian, got the visa like you.


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Old 06-27-2020, 06:35 AM
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Well it is difficult to reach a different conclusion when faced with those two situations. If the figures show a different reality then good.
It remains that the Visitor Visas are extremely arbitrary, if two people with no incomes can get a visa or not, then there is no consistency. Whatever the reasoning behind it, there is not much rationale behind why one person gets a visa and not the other. They simply do not follow their own criteria.


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Old 06-27-2020, 06:47 AM
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Well it is difficult to reach a different conclusion when faced with those two situations. If the figures show a different reality then good.
It remains that the Visitor Visas are extremely arbitrary, if two people with no incomes can get a visa or not, then there is no consistency. Whatever the reasoning behind it, there is not much rationale behind why one person gets a visa and not the other. They simply do not follow their own criteria.
I agree that the decisions are very arbitrary, when looked at globally. Each embassy in each country employes different people, and decisions are made by these individuals.

Some countries require very different criteria to another country. But also, it seems that different case officers in that one country might have a different interpretation of what should be accepted or not.

It might also come down to what side of the bed they got out of that day... That reminds me of someone I know, and some poor Australians who might not have been happy with a decision or two...

I do feel that my current wife is right when she says that some Filipinos have a visa refused by the initial Filipino staff member at the embassy, due to a form of jealousy.

But of course it could also be a combination of many factors in the application, that might allow a case officer the ability to overlook, or not, other negative points.

Very few applications will be 100% identical.


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Old 06-27-2020, 06:51 AM
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The "Racists" seem to be the local employees of the the overseas embassies. The ones in the Australian Embassy in Manila particularly so !

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Old 06-27-2020, 06:56 AM
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I agree that the decisions are very arbitrary, when looked at globally. Each embassy in each country employes different people, and decisions are made by these individuals.

Some countries require very different criteria to another country. But also, it seems that different case officers in that one country might have a different interpretation of what should be accepted or not.

It might also come down to what side of the bed they got out of that day... That reminds me of someone I know, and some poor Australians who might not have been happy with a decision or two...

I do feel that my current wife is right when she says that some Filipinos have a visa refused by the initial Filipino staff member at the embassy, due to a form of jealousy.
My wife also feared the decision would be influenced by whatever feeling the embassy person would held against her based on the personal info we gave. Then again, for the PMV I managed to chat with someone involved in the process and apparently the fact that we do not intend to acquire Australian citizenship and that we intend to leave Australia when my child is an adult apparently played in our favour: we are not here to stay so it is no big deal to let us be residents for a while.

Who knows what the hell they are thinking. The whole process is so opaque, you can only reach your own conclusions.

In any case, to go back to the topic, there is little that can be said to help an applicant of a Visitor Visa, as the experience gathered on this forum is that the outcome is widely random.


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Some excerpts from one of my scrofulous novels:

Filipinos do not have a concept of racialism. They
have a concept of foreigners. They have a concept of non-
Filipino. Neither of these concepts is based on race. Despite
the fact that they are dealt with racially in Western
countries, they have not adopted the same methods….
************************************************** ******************
‘In that case I will prepare an affidavit, in which I
shall swear that I am able to say of my personal knowledge
that you are almost certainly not male.’
‘Very funny.’
‘The Philippine Department of Foreign Affairs have
more sense of humour than the Australian department of
racialism. He who laughs last.’…
************************************************** *****
‘Keep out of this wife, I saw him first. The problem
is that youse blokes mistook me missus for a sub-human,
and youse have done it once too of-ten.’
‘If you have a complaint you should put it writing.’
‘I intend to. In the meantime we wish to see the files
if you would be so kind.’
‘You will have to make a Freedom of Information
request.’
‘Do think that will help?’
Silence.
‘The minister for racialism was there mate, and they
did it right under his nose. Do you reckon two wongs make
a white?
Silence.
‘Accomplish the form, wife.’
Bum Freezer has gone back to chewing his pencil
and Lisp has found another way to waste the rest of the day.
Two down.
The man who has the pleasure of accepting the
Freedom of Information request is certain that files do not
disappear.
‘Want to bet mate, what do you drink?’
‘You have to pay thirty dollars.’
‘I thought my wife could see her own files free.’
‘You can ask for remission of the fee.’
‘Where is the form for that?’
‘Write to the Freedom of Information officer.’
‘Is this the end of the fees?’
‘You are covered for thirty days. If the search takes
longer than thirty days, you could pay more.’
‘So if the minister, or somebody acting on his behalf,
has destroyed the files, and the search goes on forever, then
the cost might become extremely large, unbounded,
uncountable?’
Silence.
‘I don't suppose you know your name? No? Don't
lose the application will you? I'm not going to lose the
receipt.’ …
************************************************** **
‘I have a letter from the minister for racialism.’
‘Let me guess. He claimed there had been no undue
delay.’
‘He claimed there had been no unreasonable delay.’
‘Write again, and put the most honourable member
right this time.’

Dear minister—please explain
Minister for Immigration, Local
Government and Ethnic Affairs
Parliament House, Canberra

Dear Minister

Thank you for your letter of last December. May I
respectfully submit that what appears to be a quite
reasonable response to my concerns about my Freedom of
Information application does not address the real issues?
The wording of my previous letter might have
conveyed the impression that the complaint to the
Ombudsman was about my current Freedom of Information
request.
In our complaint to the Ombudsman, my husband
and I stated that the Immigration Compliance Section had
acted improperly against me and that we expected the files
that I am now seeking would disappear.
We asked the Ombudsman to prevent any destruction
of evidence. As it happens, the Ombudsman's delegate
investigated a complaint about an unreasonable delay,
although we had not made one, and further exercised his
discretion to ignore the missing-file complaint on the
grounds that the matter was three years old.
How he reached that conclusion, I am unable to say.
He ignored our complaint about lack of information on the
decisions taken. When his discretion comes off in his hand,
he could be cut-out for a job in Compliance. To be fair he
might be a victim of conditioning, who automatically
investigates unreasonable delay, when he receives a
complaint about immigration….

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‘Are the courts here the same as Philippine courts?’
‘More or less the same I suppose. I don't know.’
‘Are the judges corrupt?’
‘Of course not.’
‘You said the department of racialism wasn't
corrupt.’
‘Can you prove it is?’
‘I'll have a go.’
‘Corruption flows top down, as you know very well.
Bogus didn't bother to reply to my letter when I asked him
whether he wanted to know who was selling visas in
Manila, and buggering children.’
‘Would you have told him?’
‘No, but I am trying to tell you something and you
are not getting twenty questions.’ …
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