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Old 11-20-2020, 11:06 AM
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So saying that no one needs an RMA is both false and misleading.
How is that misleading or false? there is no law or requirement that you use an RMA. So can you explain why you believe it's misleading or false!

Stating that you don't need to use one in absolutely correct.

An easy analogy that people understand in Australia is using a tax agent to do your taxes.

There is no requirement that you use one, but it may or may not benefit you to use one based on your own individual circumstances.

Like tax, if your circumstance is pretty straight forward then you may not need a RMA, if you aren't good at following simple processes or can't be bothered doing it yourself maybe you do.

But unlike taxes you don't get to claim the cost back as an expense.

If you case is complex, you would be better off with a immigration lawyer as RMA can't give legal advice.
I fully agree with all you said.
I feel angry whenever I read that it's difficult to apply for 820/801.
If you can read and write english (which you should if you intend to live in Australia) and have access to a computer, it's absolutely not rocket science. If you're honest and have nothing to hide, it's only a matter of answering questions and provide official documents.
And there is always forum like this to answer any questions.
When I read that some RMA try to scare people who are trying to migrate to Australia, and then charge them thousands, find that so unfair...


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It doesn't give a reason why they are refused.
I'm sure they have good enough reasons to do so like fraud, laziness, don't read instructions, etc.

Fact is, if somebody can read, is in a genuine relationship, takes care with preparation of documents and has some time nobody needs an agent.
If anything of that is a problem or for peace of mind an agent might make sense.
About half of partner refusals are reversed by the AAT. Immigration were wrong and the applicant was correct. This does not include applications that were refused, but for one reason or another (financial?) were not appealed. There are plenty of them.

To know what your are on about, use a Freedom of Information request to ascertain the relative success rates of unrepressented applicants or those represented by unregisterd operators cf. those represented by registered migration agents.

It is most unlikley for an RMA to have a partner visa refused, unless the client has provided false or misleading information. In 17+ years I have not had a finalise partenr application refused.

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How is that misleading or false? there is no law or requirement that you use an RMA. So can you explain why you believe it's misleading or false!

Stating that you don't need to use one in absolutely correct.

An easy analogy that people understand in Australia is using a tax agent to do your taxes.

There is no requirement that you use one, but it may or may not benefit you to use one based on your own individual circumstances.

Like tax, if your circumstance is pretty straight forward then you may not need a RMA, if you aren't good at following simple processes or can't be bothered doing it yourself maybe you do.

But unlike taxes you don't get to claim the cost back as an expense.

If you case is complex, you would be better off with a immigration lawyer as RMA can't give legal advice.
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People need reassurance that applying for a visa is easy. As long as your eligible, you'll get it. No more no less. It's not debatable.
which is a huge over-simplification about partner visas. Sure, lots of people can sufficiently manage their own applications and successfully receive a partner visa. However in many instances people who are eligible for the visa still have one refused.

So I would never, ever say that no one needs a RMA. Many people do need one because their cases aren't straightforward or they may not have time or interest to do enough research - in this case I would certainly recommend they use a RMA to ensure they are submitting a well-prepared application.

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Old 11-25-2020, 01:42 AM
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which is a huge over-simplification about partner visas.
But it's neither false or misleading as you have claimed.

Veronique en Australie said it's "easy", which is an opinion, it's not false or misleading of them to hold and state this opinion.

They also said "As long as your eligible, you'll get it. No more no less. It's not debatable." Which is factually accurate as they haven't qualified "eligible" in their statement.

Veronique en Australie was simply giving their opinion on the matter, which is easily seen by the way the quote you have quoted by them is written. Just because you disagree with their opinion doesn't make it "false and misleading".


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But it's neither false or misleading as you have claimed.

Veronique en Australie said it's "easy", which is an opinion, it's not false or misleading of them to hold and state this opinion.

They also said "As long as your eligible, you'll get it. No more no less. It's not debatable." Which is factually accurate as they haven't qualified "eligible" in their statement.

Veronique en Australie was simply giving their opinion on the matter, which is easily seen by the way the quote you have quoted by them is written. Just because you disagree with their opinion doesn't make it "false and misleading".
To say it is easy is indeed her opinion. She's entitled to her opinion and perhaps she found it easy. Easy is a relative term. I'd still caution against saying people don't need a RMA because many people do not find the process easy at all so I think it's clearer if people say "I found it easy" rather than "It is easy".

She also said "As long as your eligible, you'll get it. No more no less. It's not debatable." If that's her opinion, she is entitled to it. However as a fact, not everyone who meets the eligibility criteria gets a visa so it is indeed debatable. So I still would describe that statement as false and misleading.

At the end of the day, everyone has their own opinion as to whether it's easy or difficult to get any type of visa, and whether it's necessary or a good idea to use a RMA. Not everyone will agree, which is fine.

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Have u ever download the paper form and have a look the questions they ask and information that u need to gather? It’s quite straight forward and if you have the spare money and u don’t mind spending money n just in case u scared u miss out something then go ahead n find yourself an agent.

English is my second language n I applied it myself and successfully got both TR n PR.

I meant if u have the spare money n spend it n it’s good for economy. Good luck


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Old 11-27-2020, 07:55 AM
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To say it is easy is indeed her opinion. She's entitled to her opinion and perhaps she found it easy. Easy is a relative term. I'd still caution against saying people don't need a RMA because many people do not find the process easy at all so I think it's clearer if people say "I found it easy" rather than "It is easy".
I don't disagree, but given you're a moderator and calling that person's opinion as false and misleading, when it's factually correct, is bullying or abuse of authority.

My personal opinion is that moderators shouldn't comment on post, as you hold a position of authority. They especially shouldn't call out post as false or misleading due to their opinion, happy for them to do so with fact and references, which you have not done.

The post was not as far as I am aware not in breach of a rule, so IMO a moderator should not have called the post false and misleading.

It was a poor way to handle the situation IMO, imagine if visas were processed this way.

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She also said "As long as your eligible, you'll get it. No more no less. It's not debatable." If that's her opinion, she is entitled to it. However as a fact, not everyone who meets the eligibility criteria gets a visa so it is indeed debatable. So I still would describe that statement as false and misleading.
That is not factually correct, by law if meet the eligibility criteria you can get the visa, that's what the law states. This does not mean you don't need to prove that you are eligible or that you maybe question/judged on it. But If you are technically eligible you get it. This may not be the case where your from, but Australia in based on the rule of law.

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At the end of the day, everyone has their own opinion as to whether it's easy or difficult to get any type of visa, and whether it's necessary or a good idea to use a RMA. Not everyone will agree, which is fine.
Yes but your comment claiming their post was false or misleading was out of line. Just because your a moderator doesn't give you libre cours/free rein to force your opinion on others. Doing so IMO is very poor form.


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Have u ever download the paper form and have a look the questions they ask and information that u need to gather? It’s quite straight forward and if you have the spare money and u don’t mind spending money n just in case u scared u miss out something then go ahead n find yourself an agent.

English is my second language n I applied it myself and successfully got both TR n PR.

I meant if u have the spare money n spend it n it’s good for economy. Good luck
I understand English is your second language,I picked that up with your posting, your context and meaning was correct.

There maybe better ways to articulate this in english with experience, but it was pretty clear your intention from what you have written.

The issue was a moderator didn't take this into account and decided that you were proving false and misleading opinions due to their own biases.

Frankly they were out of line, and I felt they needed to be called on this behaviour, it's rather astounding that they acted in the way they did.

This is not the way normal people act in Australia, and I don't believe the moderator is an Australian by birth, so I will take that into account, but please don't take personal offence to it. I may well be banned and these posts deleted for sticking up for you, but that is not the Australian way, Australians believe in sticking up for what's right and the under dog, that is what mateship means. No matter the person cost.

What you have written was perfectly OK and most people understood what you wanted to convey.


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Have u ever download the paper form and have a look the questions they ask and information that u need to gather?
The department has spent considerable time, effort and money making the process as user friendly as possible. On the sarcastic side you could say this is because they make a lot of money for the economy.

RMA's are only registered by the government because the government felt there was a need that they regulated. Which kind of says something about the industry, that they can't self regulate.

I personally would never recommend a RMA who boast they have never had an unsuccessful application, as this to me means they only take on the simple/easy cases.

I would want someone with experience with the difficult cases, someone who has the knowledge and experience to fight for you.

Not someone who quits when the going gets hard, or who won't take on a difficult application/fight as IMO they are not the top of their field.


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That is not factually correct, by law if meet the eligibility criteria you can get the visa, that's what the law states. This does not mean you don't need to prove that you are eligible or that you maybe question/judged on it. But If you are technically eligible you get it. This may not be the case where your from, but Australia in based on the rule of law.
"If you are technically eligible you get it" does not seem to be true though. If you meet the eligibility criteria you should get the visa, but a poorly prepared application, especially in difficult situations, can very well be refused. There have been plenty of posters here (not RMAs) with a lot of personal experience who attest to that fact. Rule of law is very different from individual cases being judged by case officers with limited time and having to make a judgement based on the materials presented. The fact that many refusals get appealed and overturned is an indication that refusals happen in situations where they shouldn't. So that is a fact.

Personally I was comfortable making the application with the support of a website like this one (but I would likely have done poorly without this resource!). But my situations falls in the straightforward category.


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