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Old 10-08-2020, 03:08 AM
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Govt is offering 500 hours of English training to get you to a functional English level

If you don't want to do that, you don't deserve a PR visa
but if someone’s English level is functional enough they don’t have to attend 500 hours of TAFE right?


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You would assume so

My wife whose English was already functional enough, still did her 510 hours of AMEP program and in the process learnt strange Aussie phrases

Just common sense that if you want to live here you should be able to be functional communication in English ... can't understand the "outrage" from some quarters to this common sense policy. Many other countries force new migrants to learn their local language

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My wife whose English was already functional enough, still did her 510 hours of AMEP program and in the process learnt strange Aussie phrases

Just common sense that if you want to live here you should be able to be functional communication in English ... can't understand the "outrage" from some quarters to this common sense policy. Many other countries force new migrants to learn their local language
I don’t disagree. However according to my friend’s experience, they (AMEP program people or whatever they’re called) tried to discouraged her to attend TAFE courses because she’s pretty fluent in English. She eventually got it, but the fact is they more welcome people who struggles with English.
I hold 820 visa and am eligible for 510 hours of English , but haven’t tried it yet due to a lockdown and was wonder if its worthwhile investing time in it if it’s that simple. However I didn’t know they teach strange Aussie phrases there, this sounds very interesting


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Labour Media Release

Labour Media Release

SENATOR KRISTINA KENEALLY
DEPUTY LABOR LEADER IN THE SENATE
SHADOW MINISTER FOR HOME AFFAIRS
SHADOW MINISTER FOR IMMIGRATION AND CITIZENSHIP
SENATOR FOR NEW SOUTH WALES

ANDREW GILES MP
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200,000 AUSTRALIANS AND THEIR PARTNERS STILL WAITING TO MOVE ON WITH THEIR LIVES

The Morrison Government’s Budget promise to increase the number of partner visas is just another empty announcement until they actually deliver for Australians and the people they love.

As of 30 June, 100,000 Australians and 100,000 of their partners who have applied for visas were waiting for the opportunity to begin, or continue, their lives together in Australia.

Australians and their partners, husbands, or wives can’t put down roots, get jobs, buy homes or build communities in Australia because of the Morrison Government’s go-slow partner visa processing.

Visa applications have been piling up in the Department of Home Affairs and the processing time for 90 per cent of partner visa applications was an astonishing 27 months as of 30 July.

Couples have been forced to put their lives on hold for close to two and half years as they wait for the Morrison Government to process their partner visa applications.

The Morrison Government has not explained how their new English language requirements for partner visa applicants and their permanent resident sponsors will impact applications – both those waiting to be processed and new applications.

Is the Morrison Government trying to force Australians to choose who they fall in love with or marry based on their English language skills?

Until the Morrison Government proves they are speeding up processing times and clearing the partner visa application backlog, this Budget announcement is just another attempt to get a headline that won’t help people.

THURSDAY, 8 OCTOBER 2020

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Sounds like political grandstanding to me.
It is easy to make promises and statements that you know you will never have to deliver on.
She is in opposition and just using the plight of others to promote her cause.
It will have as much effect as the much vaunted "petition " that got its 15 minutes of fame and has now been relegated to the rubbish bin.
With the effects of the pandemic predicted to still be effecting us until the middle of next year at least I can't see the situation changing soon.
The real winners are those already in Australia awaiting the issuing of their visas, hopefully they can look forward to a speedy finialisation of their application.
For the rest of us, we will just have to resign ourselves to a long wait.


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Happy Thursday. This is a supplementary newsletter to address the recent announcements surrounding the partner visa program.

We are currently analysing the full detail of the Federal Governments recent announcing released with the budget. Here is a quick summary of what we know so far.

No English Language requirement will be associated with a subclass 300, 309 or 820 application. So the new requirements will not delay first stage processing and couples being united.
If you have a long standing relationship by definition the test will not apply and permanent residency can be issued in the first instance as is the present case.
If you have a first stage partner visa, you need to pass a very basic English test in order to apply for your permanent visa. This includes up to 500 hours free English Language tuition. This test appears to be very low level and nothing like the requirements for skilled and employer sponsored visas.
Exemptions will be available for those holding a USA, Canada, UK, NZ or Irish passport or to those who can demonstrate education in English.
Sponsors who are permanent residents also have to demonstrate English language proficiency to the same level as visa applicants when sponsoring for permanent residency.
Onshore applications will received priority.
Sponsors located in Regional Australia will have priority in their partners visa being processed.
30,000 now annual places have been made available in the partner visa program to speed up partner visa processing.

This is just a preliminary analysis and I shall have a more detailed analysis available in next weeks newsletter. At this stage the media and migration agents are making this sound a lot more complex and onerous on applicants than it really is. My view on this may change once I have examined the complete detail of the program but my initial advice is that it is not a cause for any panic. If Agents are telling you too quickly apply I suspect it is for other reasons which are for their benefit not yours. As usual if unsure please contact us and we will happily answer any questions.


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I donít disagree. However according to my friendís experience, they (AMEP program people or whatever theyíre called) tried to discouraged her to attend TAFE courses because sheís pretty fluent in English. She eventually got it, but the fact is they more welcome people who struggles with English.
I hold 820 visa and am eligible for 510 hours of English , but havenít tried it yet due to a lockdown and was wonder if its worthwhile investing time in it if itís that simple. However I didnít know they teach strange Aussie phrases there, this sounds very interesting
Much depends on the provider ... it is the equivalent of a Certificate III TAFE course ... my wife started off at AMES and it was basic stuff and she gave up bored after a few weeks and then re-enrolled at an actual University offering the AMEP program (Swinburne) and she really enjoyed it as the teachers were of a more professional level, was in a real school environment and mixed the course contents around and was more 'real life' than just reading out of a textbook and was more challenging

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The English language criterion is as follows and only applies at the 2nd stage PR application (100 or 801). There is no language requirements for a couple to be together since this doesn't apply to the 1st stage 100.

Passing the test is not even mandatory. What is mandatory is attending free 500 hours of English classes to demonstrate that they have made a reasonable effort to learn English.

I think this is fair and reasonable and should be grateful for the government for introducing the scheme. (This does not apply to the applicants from English speaking countries.)

"From late 2021, new partner visa applicants and permanent resident sponsors will be required to have functional level English or to demonstrate that they have made reasonable efforts to learn English. People will be able to demonstrate this through, for example, the completion of 500 hours of free English language classes through the AMEP.

Most partner visas are a provisional visa of two years before becoming eligible for a permanent visa. The requirement will have to be met at the time of the granting of the permanent visa."


New requirement to learn English to maximise job prospects

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Happy Thursday. This is a supplementary newsletter to address the recent announcements surrounding the partner visa program.

We are currently analysing the full detail of the Federal Governments recent announcing released with the budget. Here is a quick summary of what we know so far.

No English Language requirement will be associated with a subclass 300, 309 or 820 application. So the new requirements will not delay first stage processing and couples being united.
If you have a long standing relationship by definition the test will not apply and permanent residency can be issued in the first instance as is the present case.
If you have a first stage partner visa, you need to pass a very basic English test in order to apply for your permanent visa. This includes up to 500 hours free English Language tuition. This test appears to be very low level and nothing like the requirements for skilled and employer sponsored visas.
Exemptions will be available for those holding a USA, Canada, UK, NZ or Irish passport or to those who can demonstrate education in English.
Sponsors who are permanent residents also have to demonstrate English language proficiency to the same level as visa applicants when sponsoring for permanent residency.
Onshore applications will received priority.
Sponsors located in Regional Australia will have priority in their partners visa being processed.
30,000 now annual places have been made available in the partner visa program to speed up partner visa processing.

This is just a preliminary analysis and I shall have a more detailed analysis available in next weeks newsletter. At this stage the media and migration agents are making this sound a lot more complex and onerous on applicants than it really is. My view on this may change once I have examined the complete detail of the program but my initial advice is that it is not a cause for any panic. If Agents are telling you too quickly apply I suspect it is for other reasons which are for their benefit not yours. As usual if unsure please contact us and we will happily answer any questions.
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Hello. This affects my situation, as my partner has been granted the 820 VISA in the middle of the year and we can't apply for 801 until January 2021.

Since the changes will take affect middle of 2021 and we'll be applying in January; can anyone clarify whether these changes will affect a pending Visa or only affect 801 Visas that were applied after the official changes (assuming they'll be applied in ~June)?

Being in Melbourne, Victoria, I don't foresee my partner doing 500 hours of the required English lessons assuming the processing takes 11 months, because of the hard lock down we've had since March, no car AND having a full time job. This is absolutely ridiculous, unless she quits her job or reduces her hours which ruins our plans of saving enough for a house which was something I mentioned within my Visa application. The alternative which we've done during our lockdown time was me helping her with English, getting her to read outloud and teaching her new words. This new condition is absolutely <...>.

Do they even consider people's circumstances, we've been lockdown for nearly 6 months, with no income and i just started my new job and she's been put on hold because of her retail area being classified as non-essential. Or do they just assume everyone had a full time job during that entire period has a steady income.


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