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Old 09-21-2013, 02:07 AM
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Is PMV easier to get than Partner Visa? Desperate for help

Hi all,
I have been with my Thai partner for 1 year and 10 months now - 10 months which we have been apart (I have had to be in Australia to work/study). I am extremely anxious, as I do not feel we meet the burden of proof for the Partner Visa (eg: no joint bills). We have very little paperwork, as he gets paid cash in hand (no payslips) and we were living with his mother (so she paid the rent). This lack of paperwork also means he cannot come via Tourist Visa, so I'm kind of at the end of my rope here.
After researching extensively, it seems our best option would be to apply for Prospective Marriage Visa, as it only requires you have met? Can anyone confirm this, or help me out...we just want to be together.
We are willing to get married in Thailand and go via partner visa if it would help, but as we will be apart for so long, we wouldnt be able to meet the time requirement.


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Hi Loz! Welcome to the forum.

Step 1) Take a deep breath. Breathe in and out. Good? Okay.
Step 2) Relax, because you'll be fine!

Yes, the PMV (300) requires less evidence than the 309 or 820. You need evidence you've met in person (photos). You'll need statements. You'll need evidence you intend to marry. You'll need a few other things. But you WON'T need to have lived together AT ALL, and you also don't need combined financial evidence. The PMV definitely sounds like the best option for you. If you want more details, this thread explains pretty well (if I say so myself, since I wrote it. )

http://www.australiaforum.com/visas-...d-i-apply.html

If you have questions, post back here!

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Have looked at the PMV form - the questions that concern me are
1. your domestic arrangements (how you support each other financially, physically and emotionally and when this level of commitment began)
2. any periods of separation (when and why the separation occurred, for how long and how you maintained your relationship during the period of separation)

We have been apart for nearly a year because I am doing my Masters, and due to both our financial limitations the calls are not as regular as I'm sure DIAC expects.
We don't have any joint financial committments, or support each other financially (he supports his family & I can barely afford to support myself as a student) - will it still be possible for us to be accepted?
I'm sure the "physical" support thing is also negatively affected by the huge periods apart.

I just don't think we'll ever have enough proof.


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Sorry to sound pessimisstic, I'm very thankful for your help


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I wonder whether you are looking at the correct info for PMV ?

Section B – The Prospective Marriage Visa (or Partner Visa) for Engaged Couples

You’re engaged – congratulations! Have you and your fiancÚ lived together for 12 months or more? If not, you’ll want to skip further into this section and look for the Prospective Marriage Visa section below. If you have lived together 12 months or longer (and have evidence of that, including such things as a lease with both your names on it, a statutory declaration from your landlord indicating you’ve both lived there, utility bills addressed to either of you sent to the same address, cards from friends or family sent to either of you at the same address, bank statements that show shared expenses, etc.), you would still qualify for the Prospective Marriage Visa, but may want to consider applying as a defacto couple instead.

Here’s why: With the Prospective Marriage Visa (300), you’ll apply for and receive that visa, then STILL have to apply for the Partner Visa (820) once you are married. By applying directly for the 820, if you have adequate time spent living together and adequate evidence, you get to skip that extra application process and expense, and you’ll be eligible for Permanent Residency that much earlier.

Of course, if you think you won’t have adequate evidence, you’ll probably want to apply for the Prospective Marriage Visa instead.

Prospective Marriage Visa

Let’s start with the most basic requirement of this visa: You must have met each other in person in order to apply for this visa. You’ll (at a bare minimum) need photographs of you with your fiancÚ in order to prove this. You’ve met in person? Great. Keep reading!

The PMV is an offshore visa (there is no onshore version). In other words, the applicant applies for the PMV offshore, and he/she must be offshore when it's granted. Please note that the applicant does NOT have to be in the country where they submitted their application when it’s granted, nor in their home country. They can be in any country in the world *except* Australia.

The PMV generally requires less evidence than the Partner Visa and sometimes takes less time to process, so for those reasons many people planning to marry choose this visa. You don’t have to have lived together, so there’s no evidence required for that. You don’t have to provide evidence of supporting each other financially to the same degree you would for a partner visa. Of course, if you have that type of evidence, it sure won’t hurt! What your primary focus is on with this visa evidence-wise is demonstrating that you’ve met in person, that you have things in common, what your plans are for your future and for your marriage, that your friends and family know about and support your plans to marry, etc.

When the PMV is granted, DIAC will give you a date by which the applicant must enter Australia. He/she must go to Australia to validate the visa no later than that date. Then, you can get married in Australia OR travel out of the country to marry wherever you like, as long as you are married within nine months of the visa grant date (note that this is NOT the date the applicant entered Australia – it’s the date his/her visa was granted).

Once you are married, you apply for a subclass 820 partner visa (generally, these are approved without issue as long as you’re able to provide evidence of your marriage and your new lives together in Australia).

It's worth noting (thanks jmcd16!) that this visa may be subject to capping and queuing in certain countries, meaning only a certain number are processed each fiscal year and then they hold them until the following fiscal year (July). This year the only country we've noticed doing this is the Philippines.


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Its on the DIAC website, on the PMV section, under "Evidence of a Genuine and Continuing Relationship"


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Loz - If you're looking at the forms (47SP, 40SP) these are not JUST for the PMV - they're for Partner Visas as well. That's why they have those questions on them. I promise you, I'm 100% certain you do not have to have lived together or shared finances in order to qualify for the PMV.

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Have looked at the PMV form - the questions that concern me are
1. your domestic arrangements (how you support each other financially, physically and emotionally and when this level of commitment began)
2. any periods of separation (when and why the separation occurred, for how long and how you maintained your relationship during the period of separation)

We have been apart for nearly a year because I am doing my Masters, and due to both our financial limitations the calls are not as regular as I'm sure DIAC expects.
We don't have any joint financial committments, or support each other financially (he supports his family & I can barely afford to support myself as a student) - will it still be possible for us to be accepted?
I'm sure the "physical" support thing is also negatively affected by the huge periods apart.

I just don't think we'll ever have enough proof.
For the PMV you don't need support each other financially but if you did than even better. The only requirement for the PMV is that you have met atleast once as adults.

How often do you call each other? Also it is not just calls you could be in contact via email, facebook, messenger etc.

The PMV is an offshore visa only so they expect that you have to be apart for awhile, but the key is to show constant contact.


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People who have only met in person once qualify for the PMV regularly... seriously, no need to worry. After you get your PMV approved, get onshore and marry, you'll apply for the 820, and when you apply for that you WILL need evidence that you have started living together, but you don't need it before that.

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Thanks guys, this makes me feel better too. I lived with my partner in Ireland for 12 months (3 months I had to come home for visa reasons though) but don't have much evidence due to not signing leases there or anything. We could get bank statements saying we paid our rent together. We do not have any joint bank account though. Bills were under the landlords name but we have receipts from paying our shares. We have photos proving my mum and my best friend have visited and met his family. We have postcards my best friend has sent us and we have an envelope sent to us with photos and our address on it from my best friend. Still an agent told me I don't have enough evidence! I was really stressed until I read this. I still don't know which one to go for though!


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