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Old 03-11-2014, 07:14 AM
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The one you submit is the boring looking one, like this

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Ohh this forum is so quick. You received tons of answer before I finished typing mine!! Just great


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I would assume the "standard" certificate is the one from the registry, hard to know without really seeing what your celebrant offers exactly. You could always quickly ask him if that is the one provided by the registry (that will take a few weeks to arrive) or if you still need to apply for it. It should be a fairly straightforward answer.

Basically, it's the legal marriage certificate, no need to complicate it much saying it's for the visa etc (not like it does any harm, it's just that not many people are aware of the visa requirements etc and might think it's something else). You can ask if it's the one legally recognized by banks and any other entities for legal procedures. You will basically need it for every single thing in Australia that needs you to prove you are married (getting joint insurance, loans, etc etc)


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I would assume the "standard" certificate is the one from the registry, hard to know without really seeing what your celebrant offers exactly. You could always quickly ask him if that is the one provided by the registry (that will take a few weeks to arrive) or if you still need to apply for it. It should be a fairly straightforward answer.

Basically, it's the legal marriage certificate, no need to complicate it much saying it's for the visa etc (not like it does any harm, it's just that not many people are aware of the visa requirements etc and might think it's something else). You can ask if it's the one legally recognized by banks and any other entities for legal procedures. You will basically need it for every single thing in Australia that needs you to prove you are married (getting joint insurance, loans, etc etc)
I guess it depends on the terminology someone uses.

I think the best terminology would be the "official" certificate from births, deaths and marriages.

It's also the one required to change your name on bank accounts, drivers licence, basically everything.

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I've asked him if the certificate we'll get from him comes from BDM or is something else. We'll see what he says. THANK YOU guys for clarifying... it shouldn't be this confusing!

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I've asked him if the certificate we'll get from him comes from BDM or is something else. We'll see what he says. THANK YOU guys for clarifying... it shouldn't be this confusing!
I know! It's really confusing. There's actually no point to the one they give you at the ceremony... Well, my mother said when she was married in 1969 that it was her official certificate that they signed, and only if you lost that did you need to get one from BDM. Apparently the signing a certificate at the ceremony these days is just symbolic (well you sign a form too which I guess is the legal bit), the certificate can't be used for anything. Either way if your celebrant orders it or you order it, the official one will come from BDM and you can select to collect it yourself (quicker) or receive by post.

If they asked you if you wanted the standard one or the special commemorative one, then I'm betting they are ordering it from BDM for you.

When are you getting married? Are you enjoying the planning?

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Hi College girl

First off, congrats on your upcoming marriage!

And yeah, this forum is great! People are really helpful and quick to answer too. You may not know but you've answered to a lot of my queries and helped me a lot!

I concur with abby on all she said. Yupp, whatever cert your celebrant offers you is only for decorative purposes and cannot be used as an official document. There is no overwriting this decorative certificate as its only just, decorative. Not official at all. Just for your keepsake. As per what was mentioned earlier, you would need to apply separately for a marriage extract at a BDM office either by person or by mail. Or, ask your celebrant to do it for you.

My advise is that if you're in a rush for time, personally go down to a BDM office (I went to the one in NSW, parramatta) to apply for it personally. This is to me the best way as its the fastest and the cheapest. It can be done in a day. Moreover, you can check the details on the spot to see if there are any typo errors and get it changed immediately. I went down personally to get it done and found...3 typo mistakes! Imagine if I were to wait 5 weeks for the extract in the mail and then find the errors!

I immediately went back to the BDM to get it rectified. It took them 2 days. All in all, i had to go there personally 3 times to get a final correct copy. After all, you don't want any mistakes on it when using it to apply for a partner visa!

If you're going down personally, don't forget to bring down items needed for the 100 points check, ie passport, Credit card, private health insurance card etc.

Once you get your marriage extract, don't forget to make a copy and get it certified!

And I can confirm that its a quick process to go from a PMS to a 820 partner visa. I'm now on it and awaiting for the 801!

All the best!

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The certificate that you get on your actual wedding day is basically just for your personal use - stick it in the wedding album etc - it's just like the birth cards they give you in hospital when you have a baby - they look official and cute and we all keep them for the baby book.....but they are useless for any official business.

The certificate you get from BDM has all the little safeguards in place to protect against forgery, whereas the one from the day can be whipped up on the computer in 10 minutes. The "decorative" certificate that you can order from BDM is purely for decoration. It doesn't contain all the information the official one does and it's printed put on nice paper with fancy borders etc.

I just checked my "wedding day certificate" the unofficial one, and it had stuff on the back that basically said that while that certificate was proof that the marriage was solemnised according to the Marriage Act, it did not provide proof that the parties named on the certificate are who they said they are.

The official certificate has all of our birth details, and parents details listed on it, whereas the unofficial one just has the names of the two parties to the marriage and the witnesses signatures and the details of the celebrant. I'm guessing that's a big part of why the official one is needed. Because the celebrant also takes a copy of the birth certificates and family details and submits them to BDM who verify the identities of the bride and groom before they lodge the marriage.

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Okay, the celebrant is saying now that he's ordering the one from BDM for us. He's saying that's the one that is needed for "official government purposes." He says my fiance chose a commemorative design originally when he put down the deposit. Does anyone know for sure that it's okay for that one to be the "commemorative" kind? Or does it need to be the standard kind?

Seriously... with as much as I've learned about immigration in general I can't believe the marriage cert has proven so confusing for me! LOL

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I remember reading somewhere maybe the partner booklet that it can't be the commerative one.


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