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Old 09-23-2013, 05:49 AM
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Partner Visa Application. Is MArriage extract same as a marriage cert?

Hello all

I am currently in the process of applying for my temporary partner Visa and this forum has helped me quite a bit (Thanks collegegirl!)

I am on the PMV, came to sydney and married on 8th September

I got one query...

According to the handbook, it states I need to provide "a certified copy of the registry extract showing details of your marriage"

What is a marriage extract? Is this the same thing as the marriage cert that my celebrant (or pastor) gave to me with my signature, my wife's, his signature and our 2 witnesses? Can I use this as proof of my marriage?

Or do I need to request from the BMD, a registry extract (Which takes time and unfortunately costs money)?

Thanks for your help
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Hi Kelvin! Welcome to the forum.

This is just a guess on my part, but based on what I've read in the Partner Migration Booklet (below) it looks to me like that certificate you got is just the "decorative" certificate and that you do actually need the extract from BDM.

This is what it says in the Partner Migration Booklet, page 35:

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When you lodge your application, you must provide:
  • if you and your partner are married, a certified copy of the registry extract showing details of your marriage;
Note:
The department does not consider the decorative marriage certificate to be acceptable evidence of marriage. You will need to contact the relevant registering authority in Australia or overseas to request a registry extract. A list of Australian Registries of Births, Deaths and Marriages is available from the Australian Government website Home | australia.gov.au.
So it seems *reasonably* clear from that excerpt that they're looking for the actual extract from BDM.

Can someone who has applied successfully as a married couple confirm/deny? This is an area I don't have experience with (yet).

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Hey

I called the BDM and got the answer I was looking for. Apparently, the marriage cert that I received on my wedding day is not sufficient as proof for my marriage. As confirmed by the department, I would need to further request a certified proof of my marriage from them (A marriage extract in their language speak). This is usually required for Visa, drivers license or other such applications

If you do it via post, it takes about 3 weeks and its 51 AUD. If you put in an urgent request, it takes 3 days but you need to pay 75 AUD. But if you do it in person at a registry, it only takes 30 minutes and you only need pay 44 AUD!

Hopes this helps someone else!

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Great info, Kelvin.

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Okay, sorry to dredge up an old thread but I'm less than two weeks away from my wedding now and, thanks to a call I just made to BDM in NSW, I'm more confused about this than ever!

I called up and said that I'm getting married in a couple of weeks, and I need to supply the proper evidence for a visa. I said my understanding is that our celebrant will give us a decorative certificate, but that we actually need to obtain a "registry extract" from BDM for Immi and they won't just accept the certificate.

The guy at BDM told me that that wasn't correct - that the extract is what we will get from our celebrant, and what we need is a certificate, that the certificate "overrides the extract" and is what is the most detailed and for legal purposes, and that that certificate can take up to five weeks.

What's the real story here?? I'm so confused!

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I think you're getting confused due to the wording used. What you need for the visa (and any other legal/financial process that needs proof of marriage) is a marriage certificate (without the "extract" part). I think that's just the wording they used on the booklet but what they mean is the "extract" from the registry that is pertinent to you (aka your certificate lol).

The BDM might also be getting confused by the wording you're using to ask, as to them an extract would be incomplete information (aka the decorative certificate that does not include registration number, etc etc) instead of the actual certificate that includes everything.

To give you an idea, more or less this is what the certificate looks like (same colours/grid kinda format):

https://www.commbank.com.au/content/...ificate_sa.jpg

I am aware that the link is for a birth certificate, but it just looks quite similar (and I couldn't find a marriage certificate sample). The information it includes is:

-registration number
-date
-place
-groom's info (name, occupation, place of residence, conjugal status, place of birth, date of birth, age, parents' names)
-bride's info (same)
-celebrant
-witnesses
-registering authority
-endorsements

You do have to apply for the marriage certificate separately. Some celebrants do it for you (like mine did, we just paid her the extra ~$50 that it costs) or you do it yourself after the wedding has taken place. In our case, we just let our celebrant do it and a couple of weeks later the certificate arrived on the mail.


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Thanks Abby! Our celebrant offered us a "standard" certificate or a "decorative" certificate. We asked for the standard. Is this what we actually need, or is the certificate you're describing above a different "certificate?"

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Yes that's right, the one you get on the day from the celebrant is only decorative. It is not acceptable for the visa application. Some celebrants order the proper certificate for you and add in the fees, and they order it from BDM for you. If your celebrant didn't do that (you'd have paid extra) then you absolutely have to get the certificate from BDM.

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Thanks Abby! Our celebrant offered us a "standard" certificate or a "decorative" certificate. We asked for the standard. Is this what we actually need, or is the certificate you're describing above a different "certificate?"
BDM also offers a commemorative certificate pack which includes the Standard one which looks like a birth certificate, plus a pretty picture one. That's separate again from the decorative one you actually sign on your wedding day. Who knows why! I have 3 now lol

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Hi Collegegirl,

I might be able to tell you what I have heard through friends at melbourne and agents in India.

In India marriage registration has to be done Government Registration Department. Also in Australia it is done through Government.

We call it Marriage Registration Certificate.

A decorative marriage certificate issued by the celebrant (church father) may not be a LEGAL document. It is just like my marriage invitation and a statuary declaration from the Hindu priest. I will be submitting a certificate from local state government registration department (After bribing thousands to get the certificate in 3 days)

When I say a LEGAL document, I mean any document with govt. authority seal with or without fancy hologram stickers.
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Hope I am not confusing you further :P


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