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Old 11-21-2009, 04:03 AM
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A few questions...

Hey there,

Appreciate your time, just looking for a few answers.

My girlfriend and I are planning to move to Sydney. She's a primary school teacher in the UK, I'm a self-employed marketing consultant.

I've gone through the assessment test at one of the visa websites, and it would appear on paper that I have 130 points - enough to qualify for the skilled worker category.

However, because I'm self employed and don't have any university/higher education qualifications whatsoever or even an official job title, I'm not sure how well that'd bode with the actual application process.

My gf, on the other hand, has a degree, years of work experience, etc.

I'm just wondering...
  1. If she applies and gets accepted for the category, as her live-in partner (non-married), would I also qualify as an applicant? Could I move there the same time she does?
  2. How long is the skilled worker category typically taking to process?
  3. Does she/I need a job offer before we can qualify for the visa, or does merely having the qualifications and applying a specific category of experience qualify?
  4. We're trialing Australia (and Sydney specifically) next year on a Working Holiday visa (we're both 27)... will that time in Australia count toward eventual citizenship?

Thanks guys - appreciate your responses!


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Old 11-21-2009, 05:39 PM
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Hey there,

1. You can apply as a secondary applicant on your GF's application (when you look up info about your visa, click on links that say "bringing family," and read up on it as I am not sure what you would have to do to prove your defacto status as a secondary applicant on a work visa...)

2.Working visas are not being processed as a priority now, and i think general skilled migration (what youre looking into right?) is on the bottom of that priority list right now....it could take a while, some people said no way before 2011.... and that's if they applied now!

3.There are different types of visa--one you have an employer sponser, and another where you don't... you could go either, but obviously if you go for the employer sponsered one, you need a sponsor.

4. Don't think it counts... just read--the time you spent in Oz before being a permanent resident does not count towards citizenship.

good luck!

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Old 11-21-2009, 06:08 PM
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Many thanks for your advice - it sounds like I should get the process underway now!

Regarding the skilled migration categories, if accepted, can the interviews be conducted at any Australian embassy? (I presume there are interviews involved).

The reason I ask is, we'll be in Australia for almost the whole of next year, so if by some fluke the app was processed more quickly, I am presuming (maybe falsely?) that we would need to be outside of Australia at the time the app was accepted?

Many thanks, Lee

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Old 11-21-2009, 06:20 PM
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The other issue is that we've only been together for 6 months (although known each other for close to 20 years!).

If the application process is started now, we have very little 'proof' of togetherness - only a few photos and plane tickets. I have no names on her utility bills, no joint bank accounts, no official paperwork of any kind, etc.

I'm wondering whether it's best to simply apply separately and should any one of our applications fail, then apply under the 'bringing your family' rules.

What do you think?

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Old 11-22-2009, 02:03 AM
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Alright Leebob, I decided to read up more on GSM visa's to better help you, here is what I could come up with... i could be wrong on any of these points, so please read up and call immi before making any decision.

-The visa (general skilled) is and offshore/onshore visa. I presume this means that if you apply offshore, you would not be able to do your interview in australia, it would have to be away from oz, just like you would have to be out of oz when your visa is granted. Also, I would look closely into WHV restrictions--i saw in the booklet that some visa's DO NOT let you apply for other ones. I do know i was able to apply fr a student visa while on a WHV years ago, but this is definitly something to check out before you apply and before you choose whether you will apply on or offshore.

- In the booklet, it does say that your partner, married or defcto can also apply on the same application. However it does say in the booklet that "the 12 month relationship requirement may be waved if complelling reasons can be proved." That leads me to think that you would have to prove that you have been together for 12 months, which you haven't. There are questions in the application form about how long you have been with your partner too.(BTW when the time comes, look at the "unnoficial defacto tips" thread, i talk about how i used bank statements to prove my defacto relationship). All of that leads me to ask--why not wait another 6 months to a year to apply? 6 months in oz and maybe one of you could get sponsored to work there...who knows?

-If you say you dont have qualifications etc, then it probably isnt a smart move for both of you to apply at the same time, seperatly--i read that your skills can help your GF's application. That might be the best way to do it--a GSM visa costs nearly $3,000AUD to apply for offshore, and when all is said and done it costs nearly $6,000 with the second instalement payment. Do you really want to be paying that twice? The money is not refundable ifthe visa is not approved. If your girlfriend meets all the requirements, then i would go with her and use your skills to benefit her application.... BUT the big issue is that you two are not, through immigrations eyes a defacto couple since you have not been together fr a year--you MIGHT be able to get them to waiv that, but im not sure how it works.

So here is what i would do if i were you:

-read up on WHV restrictions--can you apply for a GSM while on a WHV?
-read Booklet 6 about GSM. Figure out which one you are applying for, who will apply and so on.
-check out the application form 1276
-I couldnt find it, but it has to be somewhere, maybe call your local immi hotline about it: what documents do you need to prove a defacto relationship when in a GSM visa situation? then figure out if you have them or not.

GSM seems like a really complicated process to me (has to be i guess) and im really wondering if you guys should just hold off in order to ensure that you both can travel on the same visa. In a years time, the processing priorities may change and you might be able to get the visa faster. You would have more proof of the two of you as a couple too, and you might be able to pick up a sponsor along the way....

I'm really not %100 sure how it all works, so do go on with your research and reading offthe immi website and dont be afraid to call immigration to have a chat, they are normally very good!

Good luck to you two, hope i helped a little.

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Old 11-22-2009, 05:53 AM
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I wrote a really long post to say thank you, and got an error when submitting it - doh!

So, I'll be briefer this time... I just wanted to say thank you SO much for your advice, and for taking the time to write it. That confirms in my head exactly how to approach this, and we'll do as you suggested.

Really fantastic post - thank you again!

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Old 11-22-2009, 04:14 PM
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No worries leebob!

I hope you both have a fantastic time on your WHV's!

As long as you know all the info there is to know about the visa, should not be a problem to apply for it later on as you have a whole year or so to get evidence together! Good luck with it when the time comes!

If you do fnd out anything about bringing a defacto partner (eg: how you prove it) on a working visa, could you post it up here? There have been a couple of situations where i tried to check for people but I simply could not find the right info... I mean, does it mirror a Defacto visa application...or is it simpler? hmmmmmm.....

Anyhoo, good luck to you both!

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Old 11-22-2009, 05:45 PM
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Yep, will be my pleasure.

All I know so far is that adding a 'second applicant' on the test assessment bumped up the primary applicant 5 points... so there seems to be some advantage with applying at the time of the initial working visa, vs. getting that visa and then applying for a de facto partner separately later on down the line.

What I'm unsure of right now is the type of visa that the second applicant actually receives.

I know that applying for a de facto relationship separately yields a 2 year temporary visa for the applicant, which can be upgraded to permanent after that time.

I was hoping to avoid that if possible. I wouldn't mind an Australian passport down the line. It would suck mildly if my gf was able to obtain one in 4 years, and it would take me another 2 to get mine... but that's probably a minor detail in the grand scheme.

Anyhoo, will keep you posted!

All the best, -Lee

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