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Old 12-27-2009, 01:56 AM
 
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Question Defacto visa application, a few questions.

Hello everyone!

I have been reading the forums for a few days now since I have discovered you and have had so many of my questions answered...thank you!

However I am a little unsure about my situation. I have done a huge amount of reading about what I need to do and take but im still unsure. Here is my situation.

Onshore application - Perth
Been living together 1 year and 1 week when we hand in application.
Have a joint bank account
Have photos and bank statements
Xmas cards, birthday cards etc addressed to both of us.
Stat Decs from both mums, 2 friends and housemate.

What we are missing is utility bills and lease agreement. This is because of an unusual situation. My bf owns his house outright because his parents used their super to help pay it off. Now we all pay his parents money to help with the upkeep and bills etc of the house. My bf has the phone bill in his name but my name isnt on anything. His parents sort most things out.

Now she is writing a stat Dec to explain all this. Is that going to be enough? Im worried because I just dont have any other kind of evidence bills/rent/mortgage etc.

I am going to go through bank statements to highlight things we brought together, but this is difficult because its joint, so our money is all pooled so we effectively both pay for everything.

On a different note my bf is on centrelink and is waiting on his TFN to start work. He has a job lined up but wont be in time for the application hand in, so no payslips/evidence etc. He has a reason for not working, medical reasons, so should we get a letter from his Doctor to explain his situation?

Sorry for the wall of text, just wanted too see your opinions on these matters.

Thank you!


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Old 12-27-2009, 02:39 AM
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Hi Lavisy,
Everyones living arrangements can be a little different and it's the relationship together as you have no doubt gathered that counts.

I was going to suggest that you have a look at what one of our regular posters "elkitten" had done in respect to detailing out what was in bank accounts and you're probably somewhat better off in having a joint account from which you can show contibutions to household costs as well as other relationship expenses.
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I am going to go through bank statements to highlight things we brought together, but this is difficult because its joint, so our money is all pooled so we effectively both pay for everything.
, you're heading in the right direction.
Even with your Bf being on Centrelink, if you can show his payents as well as any money/earnings from you going into the bank account that'll be all the better.

I've put a post that elkitten made summarising her visa trip up as a Sticky.

It may also help in addition to the parents statement re the house situation, if something of an informal use/rent in kind agreement was drawn up between the Bf's parents and yourselves, perhaps even involve getting the utilities put in your names.

I'm not sure how DIAC will view the Bf being on Centrelink payments and a doctors letter to support the reason will certainly not go astray and if with a job lined up he can manage to provide a letter of offer that would go down well too.

It could be that they will seek an Assurance of Support and if his parents are prepared to do that, you should perhaps discuss it with them ahead of the application.





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Thanks so much for the reply, I have read kittens thread in the sticky which has helped loads.

I will talk to my bfs mum and see if shes happy with an informal agreement, thinking about it I believe I have one somewhere, il take a look first.

I will post soon about how it goes.

Oh because we are onshore do you know how we present our papers? In a folder? Plastic sleeves? Can we staple things?
Also how many photos is too many do you think? I dont want to over do it hehe.


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Hi Lavisy,
don't worry about utility bills, they are needed to show where you live rather than anything else. You have to show two things: 1. that you live together (that's why you need bills, bank accounts and other official docs showing same address) and 2. that you are pooling resources (again shared utility bills or one bill in one name and another bill in another's name might show that you are sharing expenses, however, if your joint bank account shows pooling of income and expenses - that's best evidence). People seem to be so hooked up about utility bills that they forget what the evidence has to actually show.
As to the doctor's letter - it can help proving relationship, but I doubt whether it will help you getting away with Assurance of Supoort. If your partner has been on Centrelink and commencing a new job then there is a risk that you he or you both fall into the welfare category and DIAC is likely to request an AoS anyway. Hope his parents are able to provide one.
Also, Centrelink should be notified about his relationship with you. His payments would normally be reduced from a single to a partnered rate or might be affected by your income, but that would be the best evidence you could provide.
Let us know how you are going.
Good luck.
Dorota


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Hey, we have already told centrelink about our relationship a while ago, to the point where we now have a debt to pay off for the time we didnt realise we had to tell them when I was working. But at least they know now.

For the AoS do they have to put any money forward, or do they just say they are happy to say they will support if needed?

We have the phone bill come out of our joint bank account, even tho its in his name we can say we both share the cost? The other bills are in my bfs mums name.


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don't worry about utility bills, they are needed to show where you live rather than anything else. You have to show two things: 1. that you live together (that's why you need bills, bank accounts and other official docs showing same address) and 2. that you are pooling resources (again shared utility bills or one bill in one name and another bill in another's name might show that you are sharing expenses,
I disagree with what Dorota says here for whilst on one hand they show two people living at the same address and they also do show that you are indeed sharing a life [so a contradiction to say do not worry about them] and it is more than that in your case, to show you are living independently of others.

My motto is that in hard evidence, there is never too much and if you do not do anything about the utility bills, at least see if thay are mentioned on your rental agreement you refer too and if not, do get them mentioned.

You'll find the requirements for the AoS in Booklet #1 and also in the visa info on Department of Immigration & Citizenship
Pays to have a thorough read of all info including the links and make good use of the Checklist in the applying for this visa section.

You'll possibly find a reference in the applying section/on Checklist to presentation of applications and they prefer everything just stapled rather than in a folder.
Photos are not highly regarded and a max. of 4-6 ought to do and you could have them in a clear envelope to be stapled with the rest of stuff.





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Will the fact that we have a housemate make a difference in anyway? Hes lived in the house for quite a few years before I moved in.

Thanks for the tips il check them out


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Been doing some reading and it looks like having a housemate is not going to be an issue, however im still stressing about our lack of evidence for the first 2 months of us living together.
The only thing we have is the word of my bfs mum who we pay money to cover expenses every fortnight. She doesnt give recipts or anything, so will her declaration be enough? Its great that they helped my bf own a house outright but kinda makes it difficult to prove that I have lived there for the full 12 months due to lack of "official" rent/mortgage.

We have only had a joint account for the last 9 months, so im really worried that we will be asked for more evidence, but we cant provide any. Any other suggestions?


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Hi Lavisy,
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im still stressing about our lack of evidence for the first 2 months of us living together.
The only thing we have is the word of my bfs mum who we pay money to cover expenses every fortnight. She doesnt give recipts or anything,
If it was in the house for the first two months or ecven elsewhere, it is just a matter of showing clearly where you were and just as clearly getting your presentation looking good in a time line.

Have you had a peek at hnsally post about right alongside yours for sally has a situation of some similarity re living arrangements and similar things being asked/said.

If your Bf's mum puts into a statutory declaration details of payments that ought to be near good as receipts or if you have bank statements matching payments, that'll be fine but it is less how much you've paid for living together and more that you have been, so just have the Bf's mum's statement clearly indicating that and then your documented timeline showing that too.

Alternately, just because there hasn't been documented payments/receipts, dosen't mean the Bf's mum cannot do some showing from when payments started and date them accordingly if so inclined.





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Hi Lavisy,
how about any correspondence, cards, gifts, money transfer and the like that may have arrived at the address in that initial period? Also, there might be some e-mails to your friends and family from the initial period when you advised them of your address or moving with your partner. Also, stat decs by any of the friends specifying the date of you moving in and stating how they remember (eg one week before a birthday, two weeks after I had my gallbladder attack , etc) should help. As you have already lodged your application do not send anything until you are asked. Be firm and confident, don't be scared and worried.
Good luck
Dorota


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