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hi guys im new here and im 32 us citizen and have question about migrating to au ,im going to apply for 175 visa i have 12 years experience high level skills as cabinet maker is necessary find sponsor or should i apply as independent ,if i need a sponsor to make it easyier where or how i can find one thank you


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Hi,
You do not need a sponsor if you have 120 points, however, you may find the wait for a 175 visa long, possibly a couple of years. If you don't have 120 points you will need a sponsor, a state government sponsor or an employer sponsor. If you find an employer who is prepared to sponsor you then it is the quickest process, possibly about six months for a permanent visa or a couple of weeks for a temporary visa. State Sponsorship will give you 20 points and a quicker processing time.
Some states sponsor cabinet makers, you can look through each state's sponsorship site. You can find an employer either by contacting various manufacturers directly or through contacts. Agencies are unlikely to help you find a sponsoring employer but it doesn't hurt to try.
Hope it helps.
Dorota


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Hi,
You do not need a sponsor if you have 120 points, however, you may find the wait for a 175 visa long, possibly a couple of years. If you don't have 120 points you will need a sponsor, a state government sponsor or an employer sponsor. If you find an employer who is prepared to sponsor you then it is the quickest process, possibly about six months for a permanent visa or a couple of weeks for a temporary visa. State Sponsorship will give you 20 points and a quicker processing time.
Some states sponsor cabinet makers, you can look through each state's sponsorship site. You can find an employer either by contacting various manufacturers directly or through contacts. Agencies are unlikely to help you find a sponsoring employer but it doesn't hurt to try.
Hope it helps.
Dorota


i have 130 points ,but i had hard time find any info on sponsoring thrue agencies or state ,is there any links i can look to thank you


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i have 130 points ,but i had hard time find any info on sponsoring thrue agencies or state ,is there any links i can look to thank you
Hi jany and it is important to differentiate between the different sponsorship paths, it seeming you have done some looking at the Immi site to see that you have 130 points possible.
On that basis, State Sponsorhip is not going to be of great advantage to you though they may change the whole points scenario in not too distant future.

If you have a look @ Visa Options – Professionals and other Skilled Migrants – Workers – Visas & Immigration you'll see the 176 Visa just beneath the 175 and in fact they are the same class of visa and if one applies for a 175 you can decide to see State Nomination/sponsorship and your application then gets considered as a 176.
Go into the 176 and select eligibility and you'll see there's two links at the bottom of that page, one for Family Sponsorship and the other for State Nomination; clicking there and you get a list of the states/territories and it is a case of looking at the various state sites, some being a bit more mixed than others but look for the words Skilled Immigration, Sponsorship etc. and kind of follow your nose.

Diferent states will have different occupations nominated for sponsorship and this form of sponsorship is no guarantee of a job and is just that the states have assessed one way or another that they could do with more workers of that occupation in the state; bureacracies being as they are I'd not be surprised if one could never pin anyone down as to the accuracy of developing demand and the nature of the process will likely make it out of date anyway and the smaller population states probably have more of a wish list approach in attempting to grow as big as big brother and sister states of NSW and Victoria.
NSW on my last look has a much more restricted nomination listing, mainly centred on industrial/professional occupation needs.
Vic is more generous and a bit like the smaller population states.

The conditions re state nomination can also vary a bit and for instance I recall Tasmania having a requirement for someone to have a job offer, that perhaps no longer so and nor for other states but you'll only find that out by looking at each states application requirements.

So if you find a state that you'd consider getting sponsorship from, you'll see that their application form is somewhat similar to an Immigration application but without health and character checks as that'll be left to the Immigration application.
The State application is totally separate to an Immigration application and has no bearing on an immigration application other than requiring less points, 10 points for state sponsorship and giving a slightly higher priority in comparison to an unsponsored person.
You'll also see that there is a Regional Visa, the 475 and it is again up to states/territories to determine what occupations that put under the regional sponsorship.

If you have a look at http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/gener...processing.pdf you'll see what the priority arrangement is currently [ but stay tuned re what changes may take place]

You can actually source that of the What's New ...... link - What's New? Recent Changes in General Skilled Migration you'll see adorning the top of many Immi site pages, there currently being about a dozen announcements re recent changes effective 01 January or earlier, the FAQ about #6 down.

As it stands now a non Critical Skills List [CSL] occupation application can mean quite a long wait until processing and the 2012/2013 indicators in the FAQ are merely that for existing applications.
With a priority approach and capping of numbers, more higher priority applications will mean that the increasing numbers in the lower priority barrel will wait even longer, just on mathematics.

Looking at the FAQ you'll see the other form of Sponsorship [ by the Employer ] is top of the tree and that's because the government has decided on that approach to manage the fluctuations in skills demands that can occur, our building industry being very much prone to boom/bust cycles just as much as other industries like resources, farming and tourism etc., and hence because it'll mean that someone is immigrating to an actual job, there is the top priority given.

Under ES you have temporary and permanent residency sponsorship - Visa Options - Employer Sponsored Workers - Workers - Visas & Immigration and the most commonly used visa in the past has been the 457 TR visa which can lead to PR, a separate application and an agreeable employer being necessary.

And as you allude to, there lies the major obstacle as in trade areas there're not going to be too many employers about who'll be seeking employees from abroad, Cabinet making in your case being something of a rarer skill these days given factory production of all sorts of cabinets and far less of the craftsman approach of building it on the job so the hunt could be even harder.
I suppose boat fit-outs is one area where a less manufactured approach is taken but then I do not know that our large boat industry is doing so well at the moment for they are a luxury that seems to be dropped quick in tight economic times.

It probably depends to some extent on what part of the housing/building industry you see yourself being in and happy.
What a lot of people from the UK do is make what they call recce trips to suss out what the Australian scene is about.

Other than the recce trip, it'll be a case of google, google to find employers you may have the type of work you'll be interested in, and there are employment agencies about who do offer services for the immigration area - Welcome to Hire A Migrant being one such.
If you get on to Jamie, tell him his excommunicated PIO mate directed you there.

For the recce trip you could come on a holiday for instance and though your primary reason is not to be looking for work, there is no restriction for people having a holiday to get interested in what work opportunities might be about if intending to consider immigration.
So you have a good holiday and with luck in developing your knowledge you come across employers that are looking for skilled people and could be that the possibility of an employer sponsorship arises.
Probably be good to do some searching beforehand and so have an interesting travel itinerary prepared for the holiday.

There are a few issues you need to be aware of though;
1. It is a holiday trip for make looking at work opportunities your primary intent and declare that and you could be held up by immigration with the possibility of being refused entry.

2. A tourist visa can have a "no further stay" condition put on it which would prevent you from getting a 457 onshore or make it most difficult, so probably better to get an ETA - Electronic Travel Authority (ETA) - Online Applications , cheaper too and even possibly free if a travel agent does one at same time as an airline booking for you, but only $20 if doing yourself online.

3. A temporary residency 457 visa is conditional on you having employment and if for any reason your employment ceases you are usually given 28 days to either find a new employer sponsor, find a different visa [ could be an onshore tourist visa ] that could be an interim allowing you more time to find another sponsor or it's departing Oz.

Whatever you may consider, you ought to also consider getting your Qualifications/skill assessment done as that is the basis for an independent 175/176 visa and though there may be no licensing requirement for Cabinet Makers, it'll certainly be in your favour I imagine re employers and sponsorship, especially an earlier conversion to a Permanent Residency Sponsorship if you have the assessment done.
A-Z Occupations List - Australian Skills Recognition Information will have details and may direct you to Trades Recognition Australia - Home if you haven't made enquiries already.

I've also known of people who have had a 175/176 application in but now because they're looking at an indefinite time frame they have found sponsorships, some from abroad and some via a recce trip and they with a 175/176 application in, you can still apply for a 457 visa and even apply for a PR sponsored visa which can be fee free because of having the 175/176 application in - details in eligibility section for employees under the ES PR visas.
There is a double catch though related to the designation of offshore/onshore visas, the 175/176 being offshore and so if an ES PR is applied for, to have it fee free you need to apply for the offshore version as well and that then means a short overseas weeks hol. to say New Zealand to allow the visa to be granted, ie.
Apply for an Offshore Visa = be Offshore for granting.

There is also nothing to stop you being on a 457 visa and still applying for a 175/176 visa so it can be in the waiting pool/queue while you're working in Australia, but it'll not prevent you from having to leave if your 457 visa falls through.





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