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Old 11-13-2013, 12:10 PM
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they don't seem to realise that people will always find a way to circumvent the law and to cheat the system. those people will always exist no matter how many bars are put up.

The people who suffer from these thresholds and bottlenecks are the people trying to do the right thing.

a few months ago I'd have been better off putting her on a boat here.

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I fully agree with you!! The people that want to do the right thing get punished because of those that don't.

My partner cannot get a tourist visa because of that reason! He is from a high risk country with a non return rate of 15%. All those people that don't return or do the wrong thing ruin it for everyone else.


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Old 11-13-2013, 12:14 PM
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Really the way people do it is on tourist visas or if the country they are from allow it, then ETAs etc. For years that is how I and my now husband did it. A tourist visa allows you to visit friends, which it is what it is when you are dating. It does have severe limitations. I couldn't work while I was visiting my now husband and he could not work when he came to stay with me. It was a sacrifice of money and difficult in the extreme. We were going back and forward from 2010 until April of this year! It sounds like in your situation that won't be possible due to your work commitments. Everybody has different difficulties, my husband and I would have liked to have just lived together from the start but he had studies to finish in Australia and I had work and studies to complete in the USA so we had to be patient. (not to mention I had to get 8 cats from the USA to Australia!)

You may have to be more patient than some if you really want it to work out. 1 or 2 weeks together is better than nothing when you are in love!!!

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Really the way people do it is on tourist visas or if the country they are from allow it, then ETAs etc. For years that is how I and my now husband did it. A tourist visa allows you to visit friends, which it is what it is when you are dating. It does have severe limitations. I couldn't work while I was visiting my now husband and he could not work when he came to stay with me. It was a sacrifice of money and difficult in the extreme. We were going back and forward from 2010 until April of this year! It sounds like in your situation that won't be possible due to your work commitments. Everybody has different difficulties, my husband and I would have liked to have just lived together from the start but he had studies to finish in Australia and I had work and studies to complete in the USA so we had to be patient. (not to mention I had to get 8 cats from the USA to Australia!)

You may have to be more patient than some if you really want it to work out. 1 or 2 weeks together is better than nothing when you are in love!!!

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I wish I could get an ETA. high risk countries are not eligible, with an ETA I could easily visit her for a 12 month period cheaply and timely.

but because the girl I want to be with is labelled by her nationality and because immigration filters statistics are equivalent to applying for a bank loan, it just seems out of reach without bending the rules.


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Hi Bigruss -

I'd have to vote for a visitor visa, with a good Genuine Visitor submission included to show incentives for her to return to her country. As you both are not engaged, that could mean you are friends, and there is nothing wrong with coming to visit a friend. Maybe time to use DIBP's harsh rules on defacto relationships and PMV's to your advantage. There is nothing I know of on the visitor visa application that compels you to disclose the nature and details of your "friendship". Your invitation letter to her and itinerary would be where that happens, plus if they interview her prior to granting the visa. But if you are online "friends" and simply want to spend time together, I don't see that as being outside of the realm of a visitor visa.

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Hi Bigruss -

I'd have to vote for a visitor visa, with a good Genuine Visitor submission included to show incentives for her to return to her country. As you both are not engaged, that could mean you are friends, and there is nothing wrong with coming to visit a friend. Maybe time to use DIBP's harsh rules on defacto relationships and PMV's to your advantage. There is nothing I know of on the visitor visa application that compels you to disclose the nature and details of your "friendship". Your invitation letter to her and itinerary would be where that happens, plus if they interview her prior to granting the visa. But if you are online "friends" and simply want to spend time together, I don't see that as being outside of the realm of a visitor visa.

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That's exactly the way I am looking at it.
I was hoping that someone could show me something I was missing, but It looks like the only option I have, which doesn't feel right.


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I would spend the 2 weeks with her in her country first, if that goes well then do a visitor visa. Yes expensive to visit our loved ones overseas but worth it. I probably spent 50k over last 5 years in travel. But he is here now and I don't regret a cent

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The visitor visa is the exact visa for your intentions. Unfortunately it's more difficult if she's from a high risk country, but as Mark has said, that means you put together the most complete submission you can and hope you are able to convince DIBP that she's not a risk of overstaying her visa. The other option is you make the plans to visit her, even if that means it takes extra time and planning.

DIBP is in the business of reviewing and processing visa applications based on the criteria that has been developed over years of experience. Yes, the actions of others end up affecting their criteria, but it's the only logical way they can efficiently categorize the thousands of applications they receive annually. If they didn't, I can't even imagine what the processing timelines would look like.


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Unforunitely Filipinas bought this on themselves in the past...their record of overstaying or just wanting a meal ticket out of the Philippines is well documented...in fact its a 99% denial for tourist visa to US...

I would suggest coming over and doing a few 21 day stays.....get to meet her family and gather hard evidence as in pics etc...

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Thanks for the replies.
Looks like I'm going to have to play the lottery on getting her a tourist visa.


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Thanks for the replies.
Looks like I'm going to have to play the lottery on getting her a tourist visa.
It's not really a lottery. Like as has been mentioned above, she is technically your friend that you met online. Nothing more. DIBP don't ask for all the ins and outs of how long you have known each other, they just want proof that she will return to the Philippines at the end of her visit. In order for to prove that, it is good to have things such as:

Letter from her employer stating she is allowed to have leave to go to Australia on a holiday
If she has any assets such as a car or house, show the title for those

Anything that ties her to her own country.

She won't be doing anything wrong nor lying, as the visitor visa is specifically designed for people to do exactly that. Visit Australia. You can't work, but you can come here and visit friends or family, even do a short study course (no longer than 3 months I think).

I was in a similar situation to you in 2011, I invited my 'friend' who I had been chatting to online for more than 2 years to come to Perth to visit and meet my friends and family. I had met her on 2 previous occasions in Indonesia, but they were only short visits. I proposed to her while she was here, then she went back to Indonesia and we started working on the prospective marriage visa.

We're now happily married and she works full time and we have an awesome relationship.

I understand that you are saying you want to live together first to check your compatibility, but there's no real easy way to do that unless you can convince DIBP to grant your friend a 3 or 6 month visitor visa. That may well be possible, but she just needs to have evidence to back her up that she will in fact be returning and there's no risk of her overstaying. The only other option is for you to go and stay with her, which you have pretty much ruled out due to your job.

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