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Old 12-14-2013, 12:21 PM
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Unhappy Citizenship & ADF

Heya, I have a question.

My partners plan was to move here, be with our family then join the army... we've just learned now that he has to be a PR for 4 years before he can become a citizen, thus join he ADF. His visa isn't even granted yet, so what do we do?

Does it start from when his 820 gets granted, or does it go from when he first moved to Australia?

We're really devastated, he gave up his dream of being in the marines to be with me, when we saw he could become a citizen and join the ADF he was soooo excited.

It's impossible for him to find work here as well, so he was looking forward to being able to work hard and provide for us instead of us scraping by on centrelink.

We've had the wind knocked out of us now. Bah, I feel so sad

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Old 12-14-2013, 04:59 PM
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Are you sure about that? In order to become a citizen the "regular" way, you just need to be in Australia for four years, and only the last year has to be as a permanent resident. Assuming the ADF is the military (sorry, not something I know yet), you're supposed to get citizenship *faster* by joining the military - so I think you must have your information wrong here.

He won't be a permanent resident until two years after you apply for the 820, by the way. Then they'll reassess him for the 801 and he'll become permanent. That's, of course, without anything military-related... not sure how the military changes things.

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ADF is Australian Defence Force, in oz we usually don't use the term "military" they are called either army, navy or airforce (just some trivia for a Sunday morning).

The problem I see would be be that generally you can't join the ADF if you aren't a citizen, there are a couple of exceptions I think. One of them being you can join early by only being a permanent resident BUT only in exceptional circumstances which would be that they can not find an Australian citizen to fill that position.

The citizenship time applies from when you first move to Australia.

However, the ADF does not accept anyone that is a temporary resident.

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Old 12-15-2013, 12:06 AM
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If he'd already been on the marines on the US then it is possible to transfer, but otherwise not without military experience.

He'll be eligible for citizenship after four years in AU, the last of which he has to be PR.

I'm really sad for you - I hope he can find something else (police? Security? Trades?) until then. I guess at least his dream is delayed, not extinguished.


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Old 12-15-2013, 05:30 PM
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Personal Experience. You CAN join ADF if you are a permanent resident or citizen.


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Old 12-16-2013, 04:11 AM
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You can certainly join ADF if you are a Permanent Resident (if ADF cannot find citizens for the particular position). And if you join ADF on PR, you are eligible for citizenship within 3 months. The normal residence requirement of 4 years is waived off.

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Old 12-16-2013, 04:18 AM
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you can join ADF irrespective of whether a citizen is available or not for the position. Only requirement is permanent residence.


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Old 12-16-2013, 04:37 AM
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Recruitment Centre - Defence Jobs Australia

Find out from the ADF website. If still unsure, give them a ring.


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Old 12-16-2013, 05:13 AM
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you can join ADF irrespective of whether a citizen is available or not for the position. Only requirement is permanent residence.
ADF does not agree with you. They say:

Eligibility of non-Australian citizens to join the ADF
If you do not meet the Citizenship criteria, and you are a Permanent Resident of Australia, the ADF may consider a temporary waiver of the citizenship requirements if the position for which you are applying cannot be filled by an applicant who meets all the citizenship requirements, and then only in exceptional circumstances.


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Old 12-17-2013, 08:25 AM
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au contraire... my personal experience

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