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Old 05-18-2010, 09:04 PM
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Hi all,

I am sure you all know that this is an excellent website and whoever built and implemented the site should be given a wonderful gift. Sometimes it makes me wonder why these amazing people are doing these amazing things, well there may be some benefits to it, but I think above all it is a good charity and these people feel better when they are able to help someone. So to the web admin and the minds that created the site please accept my sincere thank you.

Now, let’s come to the question, shall I….

I am planning and hoping to migrate to Australia (yey!). But I am a bit concerned about the duration of my work experience and I think that it might not be enough to get the full points to pass the exam (exam?….no….!).

I started my University degree in 2003 and in 2005 after passing my second year of studies I joined a company on student placement as a trainee Electronics engineer. The position was fully paid (In fact it was pretty good for a student). I left the company in August 2006 and went back to Uni to face the final year (joy!). I then finished my degree in July 2007 with a first class honours and subsequently joined the same company as a graduate engineer in October 2007. Please bear in mind that while I was in my final year I was also working part time as a trainee electronics engineer. So, in a nutshell my experiences are as follows:

July 2005 – August 2006: Industrial placement – Paid trainee electronics engineer
January 2007 – April 2007: Part time – Paid trainee electronics engineer
October 2007 – ongoing: Systems engineer and business IT analyst.

So, could I claim full points under the specific work experience section?

Could anyone please shed some light? Pretty please…


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Old 05-19-2010, 12:15 AM
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Hi all,

I am sure you all know that this is an excellent website and whoever built and implemented the site should be given a wonderful gift. Sometimes it makes me wonder why these amazing people are doing these amazing things, well there may be some benefits to it, but I think above all it is a good charity and these people feel better when they are able to help someone. So to the web admin and the minds that created the site please accept my sincere thank you.

Now, let’s come to the question, shall I….

I am planning and hoping to migrate to Australia (yey!). But I am a bit concerned about the duration of my work experience and I think that it might not be enough to get the full points to pass the exam (exam?….no….!).

I started my University degree in 2003 and in 2005 after passing my second year of studies I joined a company on student placement as a trainee Electronics engineer. The position was fully paid (In fact it was pretty good for a student). I left the company in August 2006 and went back to Uni to face the final year (joy!). I then finished my degree in July 2007 with a first class honours and subsequently joined the same company as a graduate engineer in October 2007. Please bear in mind that while I was in my final year I was also working part time as a trainee electronics engineer. So, in a nutshell my experiences are as follows:

July 2005 – August 2006: Industrial placement – Paid trainee electronics engineer
January 2007 – April 2007: Part time – Paid trainee electronics engineer
October 2007 – ongoing: Systems engineer and business IT analyst.

So, could I claim full points under the specific work experience section?

Could anyone please shed some light? Pretty please…
Thankyou for your kind words Saiful but I cannot be too generous in return for experience for assessments and being eligible for points is always post graduation despite the type of work you may have been doing pre grad.

For ACS assessment, you'll need a full four years and for the specific, the full three years, all post grad.
If you haven't had a read of the type of changes being made to Immi regs., you ought to for not only will changes be causing some applications to wait a number of years before even getting to the consideration stage, there has also been such an increase in numbers in recent months that Immi have put in place a temporary applications acceptance suspension.
Have a read of announcements of 08Feb. and in May on What's New? Recent Changes in General Skilled Migration

It would seem you have great experience and though there seems to be no end of popularity re IT careers and likewise people in that area seeking to further careers in Australia [ some not too successfully mind you ] , with good english skills to complement your experience you may want to keep hammering the keyboard in search of relevant positions and perhaps find an employer who will recognise your value sufficiently well to be prepared to sponsor you, even if initially on a 457 visa.
That's quite possibly the quickest way to Australia and then having employment to start with.
Employer Sponsored Workers - Workers - Visas & Immigration

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Old 05-20-2010, 11:28 PM
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Hi,

Many thanks for the reply. I am using a mobile phone to reply, so please excuse any spelling mistakes in my writing.

Few points I need to clarify if I may:

1. I am an electronics & communications engineer and according to the rules I will need to get my qualification assessed by Engineers Australia (Washington) as my degree was from a recognised University. I may have been breathing the air of some high end server rooms but my tasks were mostly in designing infrastrructure, engineering calculations, electronics circuit design, you name it. These experiences come under the professional engineer section. Therefore am I right to assume that 3 years experience would suffice?

2. Secondly, it is (I guess) pretty difficult to look for a job in Australia from London. Most of the employers only look for candidates with either Australian nationality or a permanent resident sticker on their passport. I have none of those. Besides, I am not sure which sites are legitimate to enrol my details so that a potential employer could match my experience against their criteria. I graduated around three years ago, so I don't know if an employer would be that desperate or generous to hire someone like me with limited experience from the other side of the planet and would go through the lengthy immigration process.

That is why I wish to apply through the independent skilled migration category, if I can. I wish not to elaborate as to why someone would leave all year rainy London for Australia.

Please share your experience/knowledge.


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Hi,

Many thanks for the reply. I am using a mobile phone to reply, so please excuse any spelling mistakes in my writing.

Few points I need to clarify if I may:

1. I am an electronics & communications engineer and according to the rules I will need to get my qualification assessed by Engineers Australia (Washington) as my degree was from a recognised University. I may have been breathing the air of some high end server rooms but my tasks were mostly in designing infrastrructure, engineering calculations, electronics circuit design, you name it. These experiences come under the professional engineer section. Therefore am I right to assume that 3 years experience would suffice?

2. Secondly, it is (I guess) pretty difficult to look for a job in Australia from London. Most of the employers only look for candidates with either Australian nationality or a permanent resident sticker on their passport. I have none of those. Besides, I am not sure which sites are legitimate to enrol my details so that a potential employer could match my experience against their criteria. I graduated around three years ago, so I don't know if an employer would be that desperate or generous to hire someone like me with limited experience from the other side of the planet and would go through the lengthy immigration process.

That is why I wish to apply through the independent skilled migration category, if I can. I wish not to elaborate as to why someone would leave all year rainy London for Australia.

Please share your experience/knowledge.
I did assume from your systems engineer/IT analyst latter reference you were intending to pursue the IT area but yes if it's more the engineering career you're following, it'll be IEA for assessment and then it'll be just one years post grad. experience that is a requirement for immigration, still the points to be accrued and three years does give additional points for specific experience as stated.

It is no doubt difficult to secure employment from abroad though it is happening more and more and will likely trend in that direction with Immi policy focusing on employer sponsorship.
Some organisations may take a while to shift their policy of requiring applicants to have PR etc. and I suppose it'll only ever be the balance of supply/demand that will make them shift and that'll vary with occupations.

But as I also say, it could be something of a waiting queue for independent applications and no harm pursuing the alternative.
Jobs - NBNCo Jobs - National Broadband Network Jobs - NBN Co Limited might be worth a look from time to time and I think the best approach using agencies is to focus on particular industry related ones more so than broader agencies of which there are many.

You'll be taking something of a gamble re employment in getting an independent visa in as much as you'll need to be looking on arrival but if that is what you ultimately want to do and you're still under 31, have you considered looking at a WHV for that at least gets you here more or less as soon as you're ready to catch a plane and though there are limitations re working for one employer for just six months, that may be an opening to enthuse an employer into having you on a term contract with a view to sponsorship.

Get yourself listed with a few agencies and you never know what might pop up for they will be hungry to make placements - how they make a living.
And where possible by scouring various news, industries and employment sites, make contact with companies direct if possible and if the WHV is applicable for you and you think it is worth a go, perhaps one approach is to get a few sounding out contacts made indicating your intent to get to Australia quickly via a WHV and ask the question of whether they will have any term contract work .

Also indicate that you would be prepared to look at an employer sponsorship visa if it was desirable for the contract to become longer than six months.

A lot of employers are pretty much ignorant of immigration detail and so if you have part of your contact with them, a screed on how you propose to approach the process for different time frames, with the links for the immigration info, that at least might have some impact with potential employers.

I would do it in a way of making a reference on your cover letter to availability/visa requirements and then on a separate page under a heading of something like that, you put

. Start within a week/month for up to six months term.
WHV - the Immi link

. Longer term initially up to 4 years
457 Employer Sponsorship - the link

. Permanent Residency
A short para re your independent application intent though you are aware that employers can also sponsor for PR.
Give links for both.
.
.
Followed by a short note that the government has temporarily suspended independent applications from abroad [ use simple language rather than Immi terminlogy like offshore ]
- the link. - http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/gener...temp-spnsn.pdf

. Government Visas Priority Policy
Another short paragraph on how Australian Immigration policy is being developed to focus on employer sponsorship.
http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/gener...processing.pdf





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