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Old 05-18-2010, 09:23 PM
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Hello. I hope somone can help me.My daughter's boyfriend who will be 19,wants to emigrate to Autralia,at the end of this Summer. He said "a friend of his" who lives there is going to let him stay there with him or her. I don't think it's a girl or girlfriend as far as I know,as he's been going out with my daughter for awhile now.So, I don't think he can get a Partner Visa for being someone's fiance'. His parents are both Russian and he was born in Russia,but they brought him to the U.S. when he was a baby,and they have been U.S. citizens for awhile now. Anyway,he just bags groceries and stocks shelves at a grocery store over here,the only job he's had since graduating form High School and College ( through a Running Start program),last year, but he doesn't already have a job waiting for him in Australia,nor has he looked. He has an Associate's Degree from the College in Engineering and is also in his first year at a University. So,he is all excited about just hopping on a plane, and going over there to live, and finding a job once he gets there(with no skills really),and no job Sponsorship,and getting enrolled in a University,with no preparation over here. Also, someone over here told him he doesn't need any kind of Visa or Invitation or Sponsorship to go there and live.Is that right? I thought everyone except New Zealandershad to have one,or are there exceptions? Anyway,all of this doesn't sound right to me,is it or not?I just hope he didn't meet someone online and they're trying to scam him.Could somons please answer my questions, I really need to know if any of this sounds right,and if he does have any chance of emigrating to Australia now or should he wait another year or so,and what could increase his chances? Also,how much money should he bring with him? Thank you. Sorry this is extremely long,but I had alot to get off my chest. Please someone answer as soon as you can.


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Hello. I hope somone can help me.My daughter's boyfriend who will be 19,wants to emigrate to Autralia,at the end of this Summer. He said "a friend of his" who lives there is going to let him stay there with him or her. I don't think it's a girl or girlfriend as far as I know,as he's been going out with my daughter for awhile now.So, I don't think he can get a Partner Visa for being someone's fiance'. His parents are both Russian and he was born in Russia,but they brought him to the U.S. when he was a baby,and they have been U.S. citizens for awhile now. Anyway,he just bags groceries and stocks shelves at a grocery store over here,the only job he's had since graduating form High School and College ( through a Running Start program),last year, but he doesn't already have a job waiting for him in Australia,nor has he looked. He has an Associate's Degree from the College in Engineering and is also in his first year at a University. So,he is all excited about just hopping on a plane, and going over there to live, and finding a job once he gets there(with no skills really),and no job Sponsorship,and getting enrolled in a University,with no preparation over here. Also, someone over here told him he doesn't need any kind of Visa or Invitation or Sponsorship to go there and live.Is that right? I thought everyone except New Zealandershad to have one,or are there exceptions? Anyway,all of this doesn't sound right to me,is it or not?I just hope he didn't meet someone online and they're trying to scam him.Could somons please answer my questions, I really need to know if any of this sounds right,and if he does have any chance of emigrating to Australia now or should he wait another year or so,and what could increase his chances? Also,how much money should he bring with him? Thank you. Sorry this is extremely long,but I had alot to get off my chest. Please someone answer as soon as you can.
It does sound karlaw that he has been led up the garden path for with
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I thought everyone except New Zealanders had to have one
you are completely right [ and there is even what could be called a silent visa for the Kiwis as we call them ]

But you certainly cannot just jump on a plane and he would find that an airline would probably not allow him to board without a visa.
You could tell him he had beeter have a look at Department of Immigration & Citizenship

By the sounds of it he [ and your daughter if she is interested in travelling too and is a college/Uni student ] may be eligible for the Work and Holiday Visa you can have a look at under Visitors in the Immi link but that is only for 12 months.

As for studying, to get a students visa you do need acceptance into an approved course here and international students pay full fees with no government subsidy and so that can be quite expensive.

Any international student also needs to be extra wary re choice of colleges for whereas our standard Universities and TAFE colleges have great standards, an immigration loophole I suppose you could call it meant a lot of private colleges got set up in recent years catering to mainly Indian [ not USA ones ] and Chinese students in courses such as hairdressing and cooking, it being promoted by cunning shifty people as a back door way to permanent immigration and has created quite a few problems but it has been stopped, fraud investigations proceeding and quite a few colleges closing doors too.

So yes, he certainly needs to be pointed in the right direction re what's involved.





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Dear Wanderer 14471,Thank you so much for your quick reply and for answering some of my questions and for the info. I really appreciate it. I knew it didn't sound right,but he's a teenager and they think they know everything. I don't know where his Aunt got that no Visa info from,he said she asked a couple of people. I don't know. Also,why didn't or wouldn't his friend,that he says lives in Townsville in Queensland,tell him all the requirements of moving over there to stay. He said he hadn't talked to him in a couple of years,and his friend also said,he just had to live with him for a certain amount of time and then he could become a citizen. Is that right,too? How easy is it to become a citizen? And no, my daughter can't come with him,she's still in High School,and that's why we're not too happy either, they were in a commited relationship,and now he just wants to run off,and leave her behind. Real nice of him,huh? How is the work situation in Queensland? Is he going to be able to find a job with no skills or experience or a degree or a job waiting? And how about the Universities? I found out how much they cost to go there,and they are very expensive. So,how much money should he bring with him? I heard $5000 just for a start,not counting other expenses or University. He's got scholarships and his parents paying for his college over here. Don't you think it sounds like he should finish his University over here,and when he has a Bachelor's degree in Engineering, and some work experience in that field,then he could maybe think about moving over there? Any answers and advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.


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Dear Wanderer 14471,Thank you so much for your quick reply and for answering some of my questions and for the info. I really appreciate it. I knew it didn't sound right,but he's a teenager and they think they know everything. I don't know where his Aunt got that no Visa info from,he said she asked a couple of people. I don't know. Also,why didn't or wouldn't his friend,that he says lives in Townsville in Queensland,tell him all the requirements of moving over there to stay. He said he hadn't talked to him in a couple of years,and his friend also said,he just had to live with him for a certain amount of time and then he could become a citizen. Is that right,too? How easy is it to become a citizen? And no, my daughter can't come with him,she's still in High School,and that's why we're not too happy either, they were in a commited relationship,and now he just wants to run off,and leave her behind. Real nice of him,huh? How is the work situation in Queensland? Is he going to be able to find a job with no skills or experience or a degree or a job waiting? And how about the Universities? I found out how much they cost to go there,and they are very expensive. So,how much money should he bring with him? I heard $5000 just for a start,not counting other expenses or University. He's got scholarships and his parents paying for his college over here. Don't you think it sounds like he should finish his University over here,and when he has a Bachelor's degree in Engineering, and some work experience in that field,then he could maybe think about moving over there? Any answers and advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Yes, teenagers can at times have ideas of knowing how the planet ticks over or should and then even Aunties can get wrong information or give an interpretation on only some of what has been relayed to her.
Even people like the friend in Townsville may have limited knowledge of Immi regs for that is probably about the norm for most people in Australia if they have not been exposed to an Immi situation and even then regs do change a bit.
You need to get a PR visa first and neither the WHV or a student visa are, so likely a few steps/years down the track and then once you have been resident in Australia for a total of four years [ some travel out/in of up to a year allowed in that ] and then you can apply for citizenship.
It's probably all a bit the same as the US and just different terminology in use here.
Getting a visa is one thing, a job another and though Australia has not been hit as hard [ Yet! ] as other countries with the GFC, it is still not so easy to pick up work.
$5000 is an ammount stated in the WHV applications re what a person ought to have but it is rarely checked and if you have someone to live with you can probably keep costs down, just the same as you would in the US
but without work, it'll not likely last too long.

By the sounds of things he'll be better off as you say doing his engineering degree in the US and getting experience there [ plenty of international companies that have involvements all around the planet including Australia ] and then seeing what next.





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Yes, teenagers can at times have ideas of knowing how the planet ticks over or should and then even Aunties can get wrong information or give an interpretation on only some of what has been relayed to her.
Even people like the friend in Townsville may have limited knowledge of Immi regs for that is probably about the norm for most people in Australia if they have not been exposed to an Immi situation and even then regs do change a bit.
You need to get a PR visa first and neither the WHV or a student visa are, so likely a few steps/years down the track and then once you have been resident in Australia for a total of four years [ some travel out/in of up to a year allowed in that ] and then you can apply for citizenship.
It's probably all a bit the same as the US and just different terminology in use here.
Getting a visa is one thing, a job another and though Australia has not been hit as hard [ Yet! ] as other countries with the GFC, it is still not so easy to pick up work.
$5000 is an ammount stated in the WHV applications re what a person ought to have but it is rarely checked and if you have someone to live with you can probably keep costs down, just the same as you would in the US
but without work, it'll not likely last too long.

By the sounds of things he'll be better off as you say doing his engineering degree in the US and getting experience there [ plenty of international companies that have involvements all around the planet including Australia ] and then seeing what next.
Thank you so much for your answers Wanderer. I really appreciate it and you have been so helpful to me. It was also nice that you agreed with me,that doesn't happen very often to me. You are a wealth of information. Anyway, my daughter's boyfriend has another plan now. He now knows that he needs a visa to go over there, so he's thinking about getting a W&HV ,do you know how long it takes to get one, but he was just wondering if he can still live with that girl he knows over there , for the full 12 months,and after he has stayed with her for a year,if he can get married to her and become a permanent resident. He wants to know if that's the fastest and best way to accomplish this.A real "nice" guy,my daughter's boyfriend huh? I think he's being a jerk. Also,he has never met or seen this girl in person,just online.and he's seen a photo of her online,too. He has talked to her on the phone though. What do you think about meeting someone online,and then meeting them in person? Does that usually work out? And,how is Australia's track record for online dating and meetings? He met her on Facebook. Thanks in advance for your reply.


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Thank you so much for your answers Wanderer. I really appreciate it and you have been so helpful to me. It was also nice that you agreed with me,that doesn't happen very often to me. You are a wealth of information. Anyway, my daughter's boyfriend has another plan now. He now knows that he needs a visa to go over there, so he's thinking about getting a W&HV ,do you know how long it takes to get one, but he was just wondering if he can still live with that girl he knows over there , for the full 12 months,and after he has stayed with her for a year,if he can get married to her and become a permanent resident. He wants to know if that's the fastest and best way to accomplish this.A real "nice" guy,my daughter's boyfriend huh? I think he's being a jerk. Also,he has never met or seen this girl in person,just online.and he's seen a photo of her online,too. He has talked to her on the phone though. What do you think about meeting someone online,and then meeting them in person? Does that usually work out? And,how is Australia's track record for online dating and meetings? He met her on Facebook. Thanks in advance for your reply.
If he is eligible for the W&HV, they can be approved online very quickly, like as in almost instaneously I've seen with one poster.
And yes, there are partner visas that have as a basic requirement being in a relationship for 12 months which effectively means living together and it does not necessarily mean getting married but that can waive the 12 months time-frame but there are still requirements to show a relationship really exists.
It does seem as though there's a positive in this for your daughter and as for online developments, no idea to extent in numbers/frequency and to some extent it is a bit like a modern day version of the old style blind date though now DIY rather than through a friend, or perhaps more like the asking for a phone number on brief encounter or meeting at a dance, some may work and others not.





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Thank you Wanderer for all the great answers. You are just a fountain of knowledge. I do see some positives for my daughter,too,but,this might be mean and I might be selfish, but I hope something happens and he can't go at all. He's just running away from problems over here,and thinks he'll find happiness and a new girlfriend and life over there. Well I wish him well and hope he has good luck with that. Oh,and one more thing,He is definitely NOT eligible for a GSM visa right,as he doesn't have the qualifications for one,and also,didn't the government just suspend accepting applications for them until the end of June at least or whenever,and they're bringing out a new SOL list too,right? I just found out that he's trying to get a GSM visa,instead of a W&HV visa like you and others in Australia said he would qualify for, or maybe he'd qualify for a Student visa,but I'll let him find out the hard way. We always thought,since we heard about this,that he should just visit your country first,and then decide. Anyway,if you could let me know,if what I said about the GSM visas is true for him,as it seems like my daughter's future happiness depends on it. When you said about positives for my daughter too, did you mean the difficulties with the different visas he might have, and that they actually have an ongoing relationship,not just online? Or did I misinterpret what you were trying to say? Anyway,thanks again for being so helpful and answering all my questions,and,if it's okay,as things develop,I might have more questions for you.


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Thank you Wanderer for all the great answers. You are just a fountain of knowledge. I do see some positives for my daughter,too,but,this might be mean and I might be selfish, but I hope something happens and he can't go at all. He's just running away from problems over here,and thinks he'll find happiness and a new girlfriend and life over there. Well I wish him well and hope he has good luck with that. Oh,and one more thing,He is definitely NOT eligible for a GSM visa right,as he doesn't have the qualifications for one,and also,didn't the government just suspend accepting applications for them until the end of June at least or whenever,and they're bringing out a new SOL list too,right? I just found out that he's trying to get a GSM visa,instead of a W&HV visa like you and others in Australia said he would qualify for, or maybe he'd qualify for a Student visa,but I'll let him find out the hard way. We always thought,since we heard about this,that he should just visit your country first,and then decide. Anyway,if you could let me know,if what I said about the GSM visas is true for him,as it seems like my daughter's future happiness depends on it. When you said about positives for my daughter too, did you mean the difficulties with the different visas he might have, and that they actually have an ongoing relationship,not just online? Or did I misinterpret what you were trying to say? Anyway,thanks again for being so helpful and answering all my questions,and,if it's okay,as things develop,I might have more questions for you.
Yes, there's a new SOL on the way, list of occupations already announced and quite reduced, GSM visas requiring qualifications or an employer sponsor.
I was thinking that all his indication of leaving your daughter is no doubt affecting her but if that is his nature, perhaps in longer term it is for the best, but probably hard for her to appreciate that.





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Yes, if he does leave her,in the long run it probably is the best for her,if he's far away,it's easier to get over him. But, the problem is,is that he still wants to keep in touch with her,while he's over there, via webcams and skype and such,so he wouldn't make it easy for her to forget him,unless he just flat out told her to her face,it's over,I have another girlfriend, but,whatever. But,get this,he's now having second thoughts about moving over there,he said he wishes he wasn't "stupid moving over there",his words,but he's conflicted,because he doesn't want to hurt that girl over there either. But how could he feel that way over someone he's never met,just talked to,over my daughter,when they are inseparable,are with each other every day,are like 2 halves of 1 whole,and who he says he loves? I just don't get it. He says he doesn't know what to do,but even though it's breaking her heart,and mine,too, for her,because she loves him,she stick by him and support him,no matter what he decides, because she wants him to be happy. My daughter is a very loving,caring,forgiving,selfless,extraordinary young Christian woman,no wonder he loves her. Ever since she found out about this,she has supported him,and talked with him about it and helped him with it,because she believes that love is caring for others over yourself,like it says in the Bible,and that's how deep and strong her love is for him. And,no, you said if that is his nature,to just up and leave and move away, it isn't,this is NOT like him at all. He was just feeling very depressed and unloved and lonely and very unhappy ( even though my daughter was there for him),he gets like that sometimes,and I don't know how or why he started talking to that girl over there,who he hadn't talked to in 2 years,but he did,and she talked him into it I guess,but she could've told him just visit for a couple months,not move there,I don't know what she's trying to get out of this. Anyway,when his family and friends over here,and us,heard that he was just going to pick up and move,evryone was shocked because that was so unlike him. Not one of us wants him to go(well maybe a couple do),he has lived in our town,in this state his whole life,but did go once to Russia,to see his Grandparents,and once to Alaska,but that's all. So,he has been in another country,but didn't ever say he wanted to move there. He has always said that he was going to finish his Engineering degree,and then maybe move to another state,but not another country. So, I'm just trying to show you that this isn't like him,and he's also a very shy person. Anyway,sorry for rambling on and venting for so long,but it's so nice to talk with someone over there,who knows the situation over here. One more BIG last question of you for now,do you think that it might help him decide,and might push him to decide not to go(because if you haven't guessed yet,we don't want him to go),if he knew that he definitely couldn't just move there for now,could only just visit,because he doesn't qualify for most of the visas,you and others told me that,just a W&HV or ETA,or maybe a Student visa(but he doesn't have the money to put upfront for that). Please tell me those things are all true,like you told me, and maybe we will tell him and see what he says. Thanks so much again for everything,and sorry,again.


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Yes, if he does leave her,in the long run it probably is the best for her,if he's far away,it's easier to get over him. But, the problem is,is that he still wants to keep in touch with her,while he's over there, via webcams and skype and such,so he wouldn't make it easy for her to forget him,unless he just flat out told her to her face,it's over,I have another girlfriend, but,whatever. But,get this,he's now having second thoughts about moving over there,he said he wishes he wasn't "stupid moving over there",his words,but he's conflicted,because he doesn't want to hurt that girl over there either. But how could he feel that way over someone he's never met,just talked to,over my daughter,when they are inseparable,are with each other every day,are like 2 halves of 1 whole,and who he says he loves? I just don't get it. He says he doesn't know what to do,but even though it's breaking her heart,and mine,too, for her,because she loves him,she stick by him and support him,no matter what he decides, because she wants him to be happy. My daughter is a very loving,caring,forgiving,selfless,extraordinary young Christian woman,no wonder he loves her. Ever since she found out about this,she has supported him,and talked with him about it and helped him with it,because she believes that love is caring for others over yourself,like it says in the Bible,and that's how deep and strong her love is for him. And,no, you said if that is his nature,to just up and leave and move away, it isn't,this is NOT like him at all. He was just feeling very depressed and unloved and lonely and very unhappy ( even though my daughter was there for him),he gets like that sometimes,and I don't know how or why he started talking to that girl over there,who he hadn't talked to in 2 years,but he did,and she talked him into it I guess,but she could've told him just visit for a couple months,not move there,I don't know what she's trying to get out of this. Anyway,when his family and friends over here,and us,heard that he was just going to pick up and move,evryone was shocked because that was so unlike him. Not one of us wants him to go(well maybe a couple do),he has lived in our town,in this state his whole life,but did go once to Russia,to see his Grandparents,and once to Alaska,but that's all. So,he has been in another country,but didn't ever say he wanted to move there. He has always said that he was going to finish his Engineering degree,and then maybe move to another state,but not another country. So, I'm just trying to show you that this isn't like him,and he's also a very shy person. Anyway,sorry for rambling on and venting for so long,but it's so nice to talk with someone over there,who knows the situation over here. One more BIG last question of you for now,do you think that it might help him decide,and might push him to decide not to go(because if you haven't guessed yet,we don't want him to go),if he knew that he definitely couldn't just move there for now,could only just visit,because he doesn't qualify for most of the visas,you and others told me that,just a W&HV or ETA,or maybe a Student visa(but he doesn't have the money to put upfront for that). Please tell me those things are all true,like you told me, and maybe we will tell him and see what he says. Thanks so much again for everything,and sorry,again.
It would seem that I have been two harsh on the young fella based on my earlier interpretation of what you said and certainly sounds like your daughter having picked up your traits re understanding and kindness may be best for them both in the long run.

And I had overlooked a bit his background until you reiterated on it and it does remind me a bit of a documentary I saw not long back in regard to a Russian fella [ a few years older ] but not a lot in the US and if I recall properly, he had been adopted from Russia at a very young age.
But now as a young adult he seemed a bit lost and certainly a loner.
He had a job but lived alone with very little in the way of a social life it seemed and was emotionally torn between his Russian roots and feeling as though he did not fit terribly well into the US.

Your daughters Bf, though in seemingly a much better situation could possibly be feeling also somewhat torn and uncertain for the future.
I can imagine that it is hard for even the next generation of an immigrant family to feel totally at home in what they may still feel is a foreign environment and that could even because of the attitudes of a few and sometimes the younger people can be more viscous in that way than adults.

Australia may have even been more that way than the US for the US has been doing immigration a lot longer and with more people whereas we started from a smaller population post WW2 and then had for us huge numbers of immigrants from the UK [ 10 pound boat ticket pommie whingers they were called! ] and also many parts of Europe and there were some not so nice labels put on some.
As a kid myself, we actually had our own wars with immigrant kids, cracker guns and all and even though during secondary school years you mixed more with kids of European descent, in hindsight and even now there is somewhat of a distance socially between anglosaxons and peoples of some countries.
It is probably quite racist with some and even for those not [ and I include myself there ] , it is something of a dissconnection, like, you have your life, your circle of associates that you feel comfortable with and you may feel less comfortable with others and have no idea how hard it may be for them.
It is no small wonder that many immigrants if they can afford it, make regular trips back to what we may refer to as their home country!.

So yes, he could be having a hard time of deciding what his identity is and even those of us who are of immigrant stock one way or another ourselves but have had sufficient generations pass by could find that hard to understand.

So certainly on one hand discuss with him how Australia is no bed of roses in all respects and if he has not opened up too much re Russian Vs US identity, maybe just discussing that could help him appreciate more how perhaps like in the US there are also people partially still living with their past heritage, Australia likewise is similar.

And yes, getting work and permanent residency in Australia is never a given for if anything our remoteness and much smaller population does not support a huge manufacturing industry, a lot of it having disappeared to asia in recent decades.
So whilst it may be easy enough to get a temporary visa, getting an income is another matter even on a WHV and students probably do it tougher than most.
There are also no doubt many tales about WHVs travellers both lonely and also running out of money, either getting money sent to them where there are obliging parents able to or cutting travels short.





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