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Old 12-29-2013, 06:45 PM
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what do you mean by 18 months wait for hearing?
does it even worth put a review, or I just reapply all over again? (that means we have been each other for like a 1 more now!)
18 months till they will hear the case though could be less or could be more. I did see of someone that had their hearing in about 12 months. But after the hearing if successful it will get sent back to the embassy and they will finish processing it which would mean she would need new medicals and police clearance as both would have long expired by then.

The problem with applying again is that it will be at same embassy if it was different embassy like in chicken999's case I would say go for it but same embassy makes me hesitant as you could end up with the same decision. The reason I say this is that you would have no new evidence to supply the case officer as you would have been giving them additional evidence throughout the process when you see each other.

One thing I will say is feel free to run by us all the evidence you have just before you lodge no matter when it is and we will give you an idea of what we think about it.

A couple of things you can do (but I would not do it before you have met her in person and are engaged) is list her as a beneficiary on your super and either or both of you do a will.

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18 months till they will hear the case though could be less or could be more. I did see of someone that had their hearing in about 12 months. But after the hearing if successful it will get sent back to the embassy and they will finish processing it which would mean she would need new medicals and police clearance as both would have long expired by then.

The problem with applying again is that it will be at same embassy if it was different embassy like in chicken999's case I would say go for it but same embassy makes me hesitant as you could end up with the same decision. The reason I say this is that you would have no new evidence to supply the case officer as you would have been giving them additional evidence throughout the process when you see each other.

One thing I will say is feel free to run by us all the evidence you have just before you lodge no matter when it is and we will give you an idea of what we think about it.

A couple of things you can do (but I would not do it before you have met her in person and are engaged) is list her as a beneficiary on your super and either or both of you do a will.

i dont get this part! so is this 18 month they hearing means the review stage by our request to review? who reviews our request?

making her a beneficiary on my super!! hmmm can I? am I allowed to do that? I wouldnt mind doing anything to get her


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Old 12-29-2013, 07:04 PM
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Here is the link for MRT which will help you understand more about it: MRT-RRT - MRT-RRT Home page

Basically you have a specific amount of time after the decision (I believe it is 3 months but don't quote me on it) to lodge your objection. Then you go into the waiting pool for your hearing and you give them evidence etc for your appeal. I have never gone through mrt so not sure if you do that are the beginning or at a later stage closer to the review, chicken999 should be able to tell you about that. It is then reviewed by Australians here in Australia.

Most super companies allow you to make beneficiaries but there are a couple out there that don't. Just wait until you get engaged and you can do it. Every little bit helps

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I appreciate your concern and thanks for that. but thhis girl is more than just an online met person. so dont worry in that regard. do you think the reciede would be good I add to my evidences?
I think you are going down a path that will end badly
I realise that you are sure that this person is genuine and is the one for you ,but i would tread carefully . As stated in previous comments people from this country are high risk. You have not met in person ,and sorry to say you do not know enough about this person ,all the documentation could be false. Why are you sending thousands over ,are you mad ,all of a sudden the person needs that money ??? DON'T DO IT . I am sorry to say this looks questionable.

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I think the other posters have already given you terrific advice. My two cents...

From what I've read, the visa process for African applicants is long and complex. There's no getting around this. There have been far too many fake applications and scammers so DIBP is extremely cautious as they should be. So if you assume that DIBP will attempt to poke holes in your application, those are the areas that will need your attention. That means you and your fiancee will need a lot of patience and persistence to build up the evidence needed.

There is a positive to this though. Due to the extra time and information required, it will give you a lot of opportunity to get to know your fiancee in person. I know you are in no doubt she is genuine and hopefully for your sake this is indeed the case. But take advantage of the need to build evidence to visit her several times and get to know her in person as well as online.

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Curious did u read all my posts threads yet? U should find them helpful. Don't worry about mrt for now. It's inly relevant if u are denied. We did mrt and 2nd pmv at same time after refusal of pmv. It's extremely expensive to do both at same time. And u need an excellent lawyer like we did to get the brilliant result we did. To recap foru :-

Do not send any money to her before u met her in person. Immi will look at her like she is a scammer if u do this because that is what scammers do (ie ask for money/tell u a sad story so u feel obligated to offer money to help. If the money is for hospital for her or her parents or siblings or medical expenses it's simply not true)

Met in person

Meet her friends and family.

Take photos of u with mutual friends.
Take photos of u doing 'common interests' get evidence of this ie club memberships in both names. Joint invitations addressed to u both for social events ie friends weddings etc
Get statements from her family and friends
Vegetarian certificate of single status from Kenya gov

Get statements from 2 oz citizenswho have met u both in person (statements from your family are virtually useless as they have not met her and do not know her in real life)

Open joint account in Kenya

Get names if both of u on tenancy agreement

Make sone major purchases or financial decisions or commitments together ie buy a car etc

Get every single thing on diac list iinc wills and super benef. Look at lists of other Africans on here who hVe been granted visas. Do not lodge unless u have every single thing. We lodged 1000 photos 700 pages of evidence 7.5 kg. there is no such thing as overkill in providing evidence in ur circumstances

Compile evidence over minimum period of 6 months preferably 12 months before u lodge pmv

After u lodge visit her at least once more preferably more if processing takes more than 12 months

Continue to send evidence in during processing
Inc birthday Christmas valentines cards to each other and Skype screen shots

If u do all this as the bare minimum u will have a chance of success . Without above u are heading for a refusal.

My ghanian partner ( who is scambuster like me) wants me to ask: have u talked to her on video Skype camera? Also on normal phone ( not Internet) what reason did she give u for needing u to send her thousand of dollars?

Also make sure u pay visa fee here in oz.

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Get statements from 2 oz citizenswho have met u both in person (statements from your family are virtually useless as they have not met her and do not know her in real life)
Is this actually correct? My migration agent said that they did not have to have met your partner they just need to know about the relationship and how it developed. Though it could be different for Kenya. We had the problem which was no tourist visa for him means no friends that he has met


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They mentioned it specifically in our decline letter saying they gave no consideration to our stat decs as none if them had met kobo in person ( that was actually a lie by them as my best friend lived with us in Malaysia for months at a time of 3 separate occasions .) i think if they want to decline u they can use this as an excuse. Did u get stat decs by other nationalities who know u mish? We did one by British and one bt Canadian and used same form and copy of passport. Can u meet up with any expats in Egypt next visit (befriend them online if possible) just in case? U will probably be fine as ur not lodging in Malaysia but I do believe in overkill. I don't like to give them any possible excuse for a decline

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Yeah it could have been that they used any excuse. The only problem with the expats would be that they don't know the history of our relationship. We have given them 9 stats dec from Australian's (7 of which are federal government employees [not sure if that helps or not]) which none of have met him but they know allllllll about him lol. Then have got 6 statements from Egyptians which all have met both of us.

I believe in overkill too. I have given them additional evidence each time I have come back from Egypt. Otherwise there would always be that .... what if thing.

Did you give them any wedding stuff at all? I have given them a copy of the receipt for my dress and when I email her in January will give her a copy of the jewellery and veil receipts too. Obviously we can't provide receipts for the rings as that will be done in Australia together.


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I think u will be fine with that many stat decs. I did get my relies to talk to him on Skype video camera and took photos of them doing that and they put that in their stat dec (second time around)

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