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Old 07-10-2010, 12:27 AM
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[QUOTEHere is an idea- If the government deem you to be "genuine" at whatever point, then at the very least you should be given the privelege of being given more frequent updates vs couples they deem not genuine(or don't have complete applications in). Just an idea.

As to marriages, they are only as strong as the committment and love the two partners have for each other, and these can start or end at any time.[/QUOTE]

It happens by default anyway Frank for those applications that are in accordance with offshore recommendations.
. person puts in an application - an acknowledgement
. when visa gets to head of queue for consideration - a CO will contact if further information and/or character/health checks are required.
You might say but we put those in up front!
Then you've forfeited one check point.
. an interview required - another check
If all is well, once all steps have been done a visa grant may not be all that long off but do you want Immi to have people ringing up about 20,000 + [ that being an estimate of how many may be in the system at any one time ] people every so often just to say yes your visa is still waiting for me to get to it because I spend too much of my time making calls or sending emails.
And you'll not be told that your application is considered genuine for other than decisions on more information being required a decision is not made until a visa is either granted or refused.
Can you imagine the squeals if along the way someone was told OK your application looks fine and then a senior office reviewing the application says there's a couple of matters you need to check on here and it turns out all is not so OK!
. are you going to be happy with it then taking longer?
. are you prepared to pay a higher fee to cover extra costs?
. are you prepared to accept that a review reverses a possible OK?
You may be but there are a heap of people who appreciate there is a procedural process in which they are one of thousands and just like a finite group of people dealing with any like matter, there are waiting times.
In one periodical report a couple of years back, over a four year period something like 160,000 visas/annum were being rejected [ not all family visas ] for various reasons like quality of information provided and so yes, there are substantial numbers of suspect applications and they take time to be weeded out - the very reason all applications have to be subjected to the same assessments.
I didn't mention earlier of a friend I have who was getting engaged to an asian girl and it took him about four trips back to Australia before he was approved by the other country authorities so you may want to think of Australia as still being the lucky country in a few respects.





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Old 07-10-2010, 12:32 AM
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Frank, I agree with you! This waiting is so stressful. My life is on hold. My husband and I are terrified. What if our visa is refused? There is no certainty..and our own future is out of our control in the hands of someone who most likely doesn't place much importance on whether we get a visa or not. But for us, a refusal would be devastating, and I don't think I could live through it. There's got to be a better way....


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I'm sure there could be some small level of automation perhaps in this as different stages are past. I agree that knowing then having it reversed would be devastating, but it is still better than not knowing. But of course this is just my point of view. But then not knowing anything and living in hope for months only to be refused hits people like a freight train. It can end relationships.

Maybe some automated emails that get sent out at certain points along the way, even a general email would be great I think, something like we have here now where phone waiting robots will say "You have progressed in the que" etc.

Maybe there needs to be some kind of government support system for couples going through this period, like a counselling or advocacy service of some kind. (not within immigration dept). We have support systems for various groups in our society, why not for partners waiting during this very stressful period?

Australians are very accepting people and we don't often complain about things anywhere near as much as other countries may do so, but sometimes we should complain.

The "pursuit of hapiness" is a human right, so men and women who do choose to marry an overseas partner should be viewed in the same light as anyone else who gets married. Maybe it will improve some day, who knows? But it won't improve if we just sit around and silently accept having our lives put on hold with no recourse to do anything about it.


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Old 07-10-2010, 07:16 AM
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I'm sure there could be some small level of automation perhaps in this as different stages are past. I agree that knowing then having it reversed would be devastating, but it is still better than not knowing. But of course this is just my point of view. But then not knowing anything and living in hope for months only to be refused hits people like a freight train. It can end relationships.

Maybe some automated emails that get sent out at certain points along the way, even a general email would be great I think, something like we have here now where phone waiting robots will say "You have progressed in the que" etc.

Maybe there needs to be some kind of government support system for couples going through this period, like a counselling or advocacy service of some kind. (not within immigration dept). We have support systems for various groups in our society, why not for partners waiting during this very stressful period?

Australians are very accepting people and we don't often complain about things anywhere near as much as other countries may do so, but sometimes we should complain.

The "pursuit of hapiness" is a human right, so men and women who do choose to marry an overseas partner should be viewed in the same light as anyone else who gets married. Maybe it will improve some day, who knows? But it won't improve if we just sit around and silently accept having our lives put on hold with no recourse to do anything about it.
Automation is OK Frank and there are online applications for where it's suitable but as we've discussed there can be variables with applications too and you only have to look at the thread son this forum to get an indication of that and in your own words
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What we got wrong was that we compared ourselves to others, and a lesson we learned is that every case is unique.
So where you have irregular situations, automation is rather limited.
As to waiting and then being refused if people have a valid application that meets the eligibility requirements , I'd think refusals will be a minimum though there will always be exceptions too.
You are overstressing yourself on the situation and most people accept there is a system, it takes time and you wait for it to pass.

If you feel strongly about wanting a support group, I'd reckon contacting some of the existing social services organisations about might be a go and why not have a chat to a few but I agree with you on it not being within Immi and it should occur completely at arms length with no contact nor criticism occurring if that was possible because Immi need to concentrate on what they are doing and that's processing visas.

I suppose if you reckon there's something to complain about there's always various channels for that.
Perhaps instead of thinking of your life on hold you could also look upon like most do and that is it is another episode in life's journey.
Most countries have immigration requirements to be met and even somewhere like Europe with open borders you'll still find various requirements in regard to permanent movement of people.
Even with our reciprocal residential arrangements with New Zealand, a Kiwi moving over here for marriage or whatever does not get permanent residency status without applying for it.

But if you do not want to accept the reality of the situation, so be it, your choice to complain all you like if you think it'll help.
It'll probably be your federal local member of parliament whose ear you may want to burn first.

But one thought for you is that whereas HR countries like China are shown as a partner visa to take 10 months, perhaps five or even six months ain't such a bad deal! and it'll not be so awesome for not just you if it flips out to 10 months.
You may well find that might be a first reference with any complaint.





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Guys and girls.....Just so you know, I did write an old fashioned 'Snail mail' letter to the minister of immigration in regards to this and the lack of communication and process indications.....I suggested they notify people for example 25%, 50%, 75% and 100%......just anything to let the applicants know more than "Application received" or "Application finished". I am sure they have internal systems to keep track of where an application is.

I received a phone call from a "Representative", which could not do much apart from explain in brief how the system works. They sympathise with all applicants....but many of the checks and processing are done by external sources.....hence the reason they will not give a time because it is not totally in their control to say a date, then withdraw that date because an external source made a mistake.

A government worker friend of mine has opened my eyes to the fact that they have their daily workloads and every new email/phone call that comes in, will just add additional work to their already 'Loaded day'. They have priorities to work to.

Imagine your car is in with a mechanic...along with 50 other people....there are 5 mechanics working there.....that is 10 cars each to be fixed. Let us say 25 of these people randomly ring and visit to ask the mechanic if their car is ready....each time they do that, the mechanic is taken away from the car (Regular duty) to answer questions....not just the car being questioned, but "ALL" cars being repaired. Immigration is much the same.

So, as frustrated as my wife and I are about waiting, we just wait and hope for the lucky day when we can be together again.

FrankSS....your idea for a support group for people in this situation is a GREAT idea. I am based in Melbourne...I would be happy to get some Voluntary group happening here....maybe we could convince the Moderators of this site to 'Assist' with their knowledge for special in person question days? would be nice to know if there are people in this forum in different areas to make this happen. A network for partners to talk and get many of these problems off their chest is a brilliant idea....we are all human and we all have feelings.

I am open to taking this idea further Maybe personal discussions would be in order to get this happening, so that future partners will have a support base?

Cheers.
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Hi Turtle Couple

Support groups are a great idea. This is up till now the most stressful and uncertain time in my life. How comforting it would be to talk to others who are or have been through the partner migration process.

I live on the Gold Coast. :-)


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Hi Skydancer,
I wish I could take credit for the idea, but it is FrankSS that has initiated the thinking down this path. I agree that the stress is the most uncomfortable part of the entire process.....even worse than the hundreds of documents that needed to be submitted..haha.

I have had a bit of a scout around on the web and I could be wrong, but it appears the closest thing is forums like this and "Agents" which charge for the service as part of a visa application.

The biggest challenge is to get people on-board in different areas. I foresee once people get the visa applications, many will just move on with their lives.

If there are no objections, I am more than willing to send a letter to the government to ask them some questions about starting a support group like this.....and the legalities that will be faced along the way. Once there is more information, I would like to discuss further with the Moderators of this site about working together to make things easier for applicants.

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Old 07-10-2010, 11:51 AM
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If you like, there is no reason why you cannot use the forum to form a support group and in a sense I've already done that with extracting some posts from the family visas timeline sticky thread for a lot of chit chat was going to clog the sticky thread and detract from its purpose as a reference.
If you have a look at the timeline sticky you'll see I still need to put a reminder in and do some deletions.

The threads I extracted had more of a politicalised theme and so as a service I started up a sticky thread in the Chit Chat section called Politics of Immigration.

We could take this thread and leave it as a Sticky, rename it as something like.... " I'll let you guys come up with a title if you are interested " and we could have it as a sticky either in this section though I'd prefer the Chit Chat section as this section is getting top heavy with Stickies.
The other problem that occurs with stickies is that you'll still get people making individual enquiries on stickies rather than starting their own thread and that in itself can then detract from the sticky itself.

So over to you and if Frank, aussiegirl Turtle and Skydancer as sort of founding members feel it's a start, it can be done.
Turtle, can you just clarify what you are looking for with " 'Assist' with their knowledge for special in person question days? "

And if you're all happy with the above, just a short yes or whatever and I'll get it underway.





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Hi Wanderer,

My comment " 'Assist' with their knowledge for special in person question days? " was really if an actual support group was created to meet face to face.....then there could be special days where one of you guys could come in to answer specific 'Visa' questions with all the knowledge you have (Not application questions, that would need to be an actual immigration officer....Unless you are one?..sorry, I don't know.).

Maybe its a great idea to start the group on here to test the waters....only if it does not create too many problems for you Wanderer? I think there might be lots of overlap in discussions between support and general discussions though.

Maybe part of the group could be to have groups meet occasionally in person? Like a social outing to keep minds off the visa for a few hours?

I am open to ideas....its a yes from me to give it a go....but I am new to this, so have some patience...haha .....Cheers.


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Sounds good to me guys. Maybe we can call it "Visa Stress Support" as a title? I think the forum is a good start, plus forums mean people after us can read these thoughts long after we are gone. As to real life groups, it would be great, but hard to organize from our part.

For me, I love my wife and so other than work I actually spend almost all of my other time with her online (usually a few hours each night) only Saturday or Sunday during the day is what I can do in Melbourne.


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