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Old 06-02-2010, 05:26 AM
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Just wanted to get any information on how the subclass 309 works for China? My wife applied on April 15th and they said 20 weeks waiting average. We got a CO on the spot and her interview as well. She had full medicals and police/character checks all ready. We have no children and are married. I asked them if they wanted anything more and they said no as everything was in order but would get back to me if there was a question they had.

My query is, why after 7 weeks do they not want to interview her husband (me)? Or is that yet to come?

How does Australia view chinese immigration? Are they in a particular class? I don't think anyone likes waiting for their spouse to come to them, but it would be good to get some information that can help the waiting time in what to expect for chinese in this class of visa. Coming from Guangxi province as well if that helps. It all seems ok so far, just wondering is there anything they may ask or come up with I need to prepare for?


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Hi Frank,

You might want to look at the time line sticky and search for posts by turtle couple. He successfully sponsored his Chinese spouse's visa. He said it took almost 20 weeks to the day, even though she included dependent children in her application.

I know that in the past Chinese tourists and students had a tough time getting visas. Having said this though, the economic situation in China has improved greatly, so they wouldn't be such a big 'risk' to immigration in terms of trying to escape harsh conditions back home. Anyway, it shouldn't really matter in your case since your wife is being assessed as a spouse in a genuine relationship with an Australian, so she has a 'stronger' reason for immigrating.

That's just my take on it though, as I have no idea what official procedures DIAC may have when dealing with Chinese spouse visa applicants.

But, good luck and try not to stress about it too much. You are already on your way to being together in Oz!


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Hi Frank,

You might want to look at the time line sticky and search for posts by turtle couple. He successfully sponsored his Chinese spouse's visa. He said it took almost 20 weeks to the day, even though she included dependent children in her application.
We are still waiting for my wifes Visa....it has been since 26th March (15 weeks today). Also, she does not have children .... maybe that was someone else's post you are thinking of. hehe

I feel the most stressing thing for everyone is that they do not get told when. If someone was told "It will be 2 years", then at least you could plan visits or the like....without knowing a date, life just goes on hold.

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We are still waiting for my wifes Visa....it has been since 26th March (15 weeks today). Also, she does not have children .... maybe that was someone else's post you are thinking of. hehe

I feel the most stressing thing for everyone is that they do not get told when. If someone was told "It will be 2 years", then at least you could plan visits or the like....without knowing a date, life just goes on hold.

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I agree totally. For me it is approaching 13 weeks, 3 months of waiting with no end in sight. I wanted to plan a visit for August but September 1st is our 20 week mark so I will try to hang out until then.

I was talking to a friend who went through the same process with a woman from China and he made a good point. He said it is offensive that our government views certain relationships different than others based on the way they first met (which is a question on the application forms).

He said- "What if you meet your partner in a nightclub in Australia?" These places are often seedy yet many people meet that way. Our government doesn't question them or doubt them yet if you meet on the internet it "must be dodgy". But we are in the 21st century now. Online dating is very popular all over the world, literally millions of people are doing it. Yes, there are scammers, but this applies to everything in life, there will always be "bad apples" in the bunch.

What I can report is that my wife and me had a second interview 2 weeks ago and they agreed to us that we were "genuine" which was great to hear, but then said "it could be up to 6 months" waiting.

The website for Guangzhou China says "20 weeks average". So now it seems they are moving this forward. Why? My friend told me that in 2009 it was 12 weeks for this region, now it is 20, soon it will be 24 weeks. The reason is to "discourage non genuine couples".

What they don't understand is that for all the genuine couples it places a massive strain on their relationships. And that would be the majority of couples.

So for me, I feel confident that a visa may be coming, but no idea of when. I also found out that there are only 54,000 Family stream visa places available in 2010-2011 Year- includes partner visas from every country in the world to Australia. So if you want to know why your visa is taking so long, it is because our government has limited our category to a pathetic 54,000 even though the number of applications is no doubt much higher.

There has to be a better way.


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Hi Turtlecouple,

Sorry for confusing you with someone else, but I know that I definitley saw someone else post in this forum about getting a visa for his Chinese wife after exactly 20 weeks.

I certainly hope that you and your lady will have your application sorted out soon


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No worries Aussiegirl....

FrankSS.....I couldn't agree more. The world is moving into the technological age....except for the governments antiquated processes.

I think the way they (Immigration) approach things is inhuman to say the least....They treat all relationships as fakes....could be the cause of 50% of relationships that do not last the time....all the additional stress put on the applicants.

Personally, both my parents came from overseas....I was born in Oz and have Oz values....but I am really beginning to question if Australia really is concerned for its residents. Sure, they will say they are protecting Australia's "Sustainability".....but we are talking about partners of people.....Bah!!.....Don't get me started...haha.


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I agree totally. For me it is approaching 13 weeks, 3 months of waiting with no end in sight. I wanted to plan a visit for August but September 1st is our 20 week mark so I will try to hang out until then.

I was talking to a friend who went through the same process with a woman from China and he made a good point. He said it is offensive that our government views certain relationships different than others based on the way they first met (which is a question on the application forms).

He said- "What if you meet your partner in a nightclub in Australia?" These places are often seedy yet many people meet that way. Our government doesn't question them or doubt them yet if you meet on the internet it "must be dodgy". But we are in the 21st century now. Online dating is very popular all over the world, literally millions of people are doing it. Yes, there are scammers, but this applies to everything in life, there will always be "bad apples" in the bunch.

What I can report is that my wife and me had a second interview 2 weeks ago and they agreed to us that we were "genuine" which was great to hear, but then said "it could be up to 6 months" waiting.

The website for Guangzhou China says "20 weeks average". So now it seems they are moving this forward. Why? My friend told me that in 2009 it was 12 weeks for this region, now it is 20, soon it will be 24 weeks. The reason is to "discourage non genuine couples".

What they don't understand is that for all the genuine couples it places a massive strain on their relationships. And that would be the majority of couples.

So for me, I feel confident that a visa may be coming, but no idea of when. I also found out that there are only 54,000 Family stream visa places available in 2010-2011 Year- includes partner visas from every country in the world to Australia. So if you want to know why your visa is taking so long, it is because our government has limited our category to a pathetic 54,000 even though the number of applications is no doubt much higher.

There has to be a better way.
Frank, I'm nearly tempted to wipe your post for this forum does not need a lot of bull spread about.
I wonder too whether you have actually read much of the information on the Immi site and just to put a few of your claims into perspective:
. The 20 weeks may indicate that Immi people in China are treating China as LR rather than HR for nominal durations are LR - five months and HR - ten months.
It is not unknown for that to happen for achap's wife from India received reasonably quick processing and India is also HR.
Client Service Charter will give you some idea of times but read carefully and you'll see there is reference to variations and then there will be occasions when no doubt there could be more variation despite anything that occurs in China.

As to what may be offensive or not Frank, maybe you would care to enlighten your friend that the same form gets used for the partner visas and the PMV and if he has a look @ Partner Visa: Offshore Temporary and Permanent (Subclasses 309 and 100) he might see what is there about the eligibility of a married applicant.
Whereas for the PMV it indicates for eligibility that people should have met in person and that's a reasonable enough requirement I would have thought.
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And meeting your partner in a night club! - is he for real! , for yes it is a new century.
But look if he is offended because it is expected he would have met his wife in person, I'll let him be offended.
The background to checks and balances is of course that there's history of Aussie guys seeking Asian women and not all marriages end in eternal bliss.

As for strain Frank, that is a personal issue and it is only natural for a government to have a certain ammount of people available to process so many visas a year.
54,000 a year, a 1000 a week and you reckon that's pathetic!
It is certainly not the reason for a visa taking the length it does and if they had more, you may even wait longer!

But be a good fella and before you go spreading crud, how about you read some information so you will not.





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I can only speak from my own experience Wanderer, and as you well know, the visa system is different for each case, and what applies to one will not apply to another.

I can see your point about the numbers and agree on the logic, but in our case we presented all of the correct information on our relationship according to the requirements set out on the immi site as you say. I am not disputing any of that. In fact we put in quite a bit of work and my wife spent some weeks preparing her information only for the dept of immi to say they did not need her emails (inspite of the fact it took weeks to compile and was a part of the "evidence" requirement). What we got wrong was that we compared ourselves to others, and a lesson we learned is that every case is unique.

Like myself, my friend put in quite a bit of work, so he and I understand the eligibility requirements quite well. He went as far as hiring a lawyer while I toughed it out on my own. It was the lawyer with 20 years experience who passed this information on to my friend, and some of it at least is factual, whatever conclusions you can draw from it.

Like the 12, 20 and 24 week wait over the last 3 years for China. You are also right in saying the numbers are ok, so my question is, if the number of visas is not changing (and it is not at this time), then how does this explain the increase in waiting time for LR countries? It does not make sense.

The only humane and logical reasons for increasing wait times is if the number of visas was raised, and if I am wrong on that point I will apologize. But this does not seem to be the case.

Like many others I do puzzle at why some couples get a visa quicker than others, and yes, you could say that this is evidence that they consider each case on it's own merits, and if every marriage is different, then it near impossible to replicate. For example, perhaps the Indian example you speak of the applicant had some higher qualifications that set her above those partners without educational qualifications? I don't know.

I guess what many of us are saying is that more communication from the department of immigration would help on each case, instead of weeks and months of "not knowing". They need to understand that this "not knowing" does take a toll on couples and is detrimental to relationships. Some days you are full of hope, other days you despair if it is ever going to happen at all. All we ask is that they communicate better, give us some progress reports, or something.

Hope can be a powerful thing, a great binding force in a marriage, but not knowing if you can be together or not is the worst feeling to cope with.

If as the dept of immigration says "People our business" all we ask is that there be some more specific communication and clarification so couples can know where they stand and can plan around government decisions, whatever they may be.


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I can only speak from my own experience Wanderer, and as you well know, the visa system is different for each case, and what applies to one will not apply to another.

I can see your point about the numbers and agree on the logic, but in our case we presented all of the correct information on our relationship according to the requirements set out on the immi site as you say. I am not disputing any of that. In fact we put in quite a bit of work and my wife spent some weeks preparing her information only for the dept of immi to say they did not need her emails (inspite of the fact it took weeks to compile and was a part of the "evidence" requirement). What we got wrong was that we compared ourselves to others, and a lesson we learned is that every case is unique.

Like myself, my friend put in quite a bit of work, so he and I understand the eligibility requirements quite well. He went as far as hiring a lawyer while I toughed it out on my own. It was the lawyer with 20 years experience who passed this information on to my friend, and some of it at least is factual, whatever conclusions you can draw from it.

Like the 12, 20 and 24 week wait over the last 3 years for China. You are also right in saying the numbers are ok, so my question is, if the number of visas is not changing (and it is not at this time), then how does this explain the increase in waiting time for LR countries? It does not make sense.

The only humane and logical reasons for increasing wait times is if the number of visas was raised, and if I am wrong on that point I will apologize. But this does not seem to be the case.

Like many others I do puzzle at why some couples get a visa quicker than others, and yes, you could say that this is evidence that they consider each case on it's own merits, and if every marriage is different, then it near impossible to replicate. For example, perhaps the Indian example you speak of the applicant had some higher qualifications that set her above those partners without educational qualifications? I don't know.

I guess what many of us are saying is that more communication from the department of immigration would help on each case, instead of weeks and months of "not knowing". They need to understand that this "not knowing" does take a toll on couples and is detrimental to relationships. Some days you are full of hope, other days you despair if it is ever going to happen at all. All we ask is that they communicate better, give us some progress reports, or something.

Hope can be a powerful thing, a great binding force in a marriage, but not knowing if you can be together or not is the worst feeling to cope with.

If as the dept of immigration says "People our business" all we ask is that there be some more specific communication and clarification so couples can know where they stand and can plan around government decisions, whatever they may be.
Just taking a few of your points there Frank:
. emails and if you have a look at what Booklet #1 has, it is a guide but not overly prescriptive and a lot of applicants may do an overkill with that kind of stuff and photos for instance whereas what Immi will take most notice of will be good sound authorative documentation.
And yes, people need to apply against the regs and guide and not so much on what others might do.

I do not really know if timelines have been increasing and for instance a visa from a European LR country took about 4 months just on 16 years ago.
China btw is HR.
So without the lawyer being able to validate is 12/20/24, cannot comment but I would be surprised if it is what he claims.

In the Service Charter there are all manner of reasons why times can vary.
Qualifications have nothing to do with a spouse visa.
If you want Immi people to send out a note every time a file is looked at, all that is likely to do is just slow the system further for someone has to do that.
If people take note of how long a visa can be expected to take, they will be contacted if necessary.





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Old 07-09-2010, 05:28 PM
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As to the "history of Aussie guys seeking Asian women" yes, you are correct, but we also seek Australian women, European women, African women, American women, etc. Outside and inside Australia.

There are many cases of men and women from other nations wanting to get into Australia to simply have a "better life" and some do end in divorce yes. But then Australia has a high divorce rate anyway. Men can take advantage of women, and women can take advantage of men, this is also a sad reality in all this. I am fully aware of these factors.

No doubt our government are trying to keep out the non genuine couples, and I support that, but my contention is they are missing out on all the genuine couples, and these are still the majority. It's like when we were in school where the teacher punished all the students, good and bad, because of the bad apples. This is not a fair system.

Here is an idea- If the government deem you to be "genuine" at whatever point, then at the very least you should be given the privelege of being given more frequent updates vs couples they deem not genuine(or don't have complete applications in). Just an idea.

As to marriages, they are only as strong as the committment and love the two partners have for each other, and these can start or end at any time.


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