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Old 01-13-2014, 10:03 AM
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It's certainly not a strong case, and it depends if you want to gamble with $4575... If you could consider getting married and applying for a pmv you'd be much better off.

Personally, I'm not sure getting settled in au and getting a rental house is a good reason, just coz there's no reason why he couldn't have come with you. I knowitstough, but that's how immigration is...
Thank u for ur honesty, I agree with how immigration is. Am starting to get what they're about. However they r the reason he couldn't come with; as I said before he is unallowed for work n there would be nobody to support us and we are not rockafellas to afford other means as i couldnt work in UK. But I went cos we needed to give our relo a proper go.
How can we be expected to live 12 months fully when neither "commonwealth country" allows such a thing? We are just two people that want what should rightfully be ours. Australia needs to wake up.


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unfortunately Smokey,immigration seems to be not very sympathetic to unusual circumstances with genuine committed relationships which I believe in the long term they may have to rethink their criteria....my partner and I were in what we consider a de-facto relationship for 2 years before we applied (genuine ongoing relationship to the exclusion of all others)...however by DIBP standards we have only properly been defacto for 1 year....we delayed co-habitation for 9 months as he has children from his 1st marriage and their needs had to come before our wants....but despite having evidence from all other categories...I had to spend over $6K to extend my studies in Australia so we could meet DIBP's requirements....(and don't get me started on this joint bank account nonsense..I know people together for 30 years that don't have one)

Based on what you have said here,I agree with other posters than PMV is going to be your best option as it doesn't require any co-habitation evidence.....

Sadly given the volume of people who have fraudulently abused the partner visa as an easy way to obtain residency it is now absurdly costly and difficult for those of us who are genuine

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I don't think it's Australia's issue (to be honest). Both countries do allow you to live together - you just can't work.
Had you looked into a UK partner visa?? That is horrendous to try and obtain so in truth Australia is quite good when it comes to partner visas (when you consider they need to have stringent criteria to stop the fraudulent people coming in). At least you can obtain a bridging visa here that allows him to work - this is not something the UK allow.

I'm Australian and my partner is British - it's my choice to be with him, just because we love each other doesn't mean I should expect IMMI to let him in with open arms. I understand that there is strict criteria to meet and I'm glad there is. The amount of shadey posts I read on here/other forums sometimes is infuriating because it's them that is making our lives hard - not immigration.

Rant over!

I lived in London for a few years and supported my partner at one point for over 6months when he wasn't able to find work - it was difficult but certainly not impossible. Could you go back to the UK for a few months - start to build up some evidence then apply for a PMV?

I hope everything works out for you

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I've been supporting my partner for about a year while he had trouble finding work here. You might want to both work, but it's not essential.

Also, as hard as it is for smokey, engaus and I to manage being on one income, I feel so incredibly fortunate to have a partner from a low-risk country, and I know there are lots of people on here who have it much worse.


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I don't think it's Australia's issue (to be honest). Both countries do allow you to live together - you just can't work.
Had you looked into a UK partner visa?? That is horrendous to try and obtain so in truth Australia is quite good when it comes to partner visas (when you consider they need to have stringent criteria to stop the fraudulent people coming in). At least you can obtain a bridging visa here that allows him to work - this is not something the UK allow.

I'm Australian and my partner is British - it's my choice to be with him, just because we love each other doesn't mean I should expect IMMI to let him in with open arms. I understand that there is strict criteria to meet and I'm glad there is. The amount of shadey posts I read on here/other forums sometimes is infuriating because it's them that is making our lives hard - not immigration.

Rant over!

I lived in London for a few years and supported my partner at one point for over 6months when he wasn't able to find work - it was difficult but certainly not impossible. Could you go back to the UK for a few months - start to build up some evidence then apply for a PMV?

I hope everything works out for you
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however I dont understand how easy it is to live together when why am i even posting to this forum if that was the case...
We dont have that many options i admit, but it seems that to gather such evidence is likely to cause hardship either way. now, there is still not many ways we can be together in the same place legally unless theres a marriage or children involved.

I'd like to find out more on who gets bridging visa's. On the PMV, can he still come here in the meantime and get a bridging visa until PMV gets approved?


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I've been supporting my partner for about a year while he had trouble finding work here. You might want to both work, but it's not essential.

Also, as hard as it is for smokey, engaus and I to manage being on one income, I feel so incredibly fortunate to have a partner from a low-risk country, and I know there are lots of people on here who have it much worse.
how was ur partner able to live here for that long?


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No, a PMV will not get you a bridging visa. It is an offshore-only visa. Bridging visas are for one onshore visa to another.

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Smokey, I think the issue you're running up against here is this: partner visas are essentially FOR married couples, or those who cannot marry for one reason or another but have the same exact level of commitment. They are MADE to be difficult to obtain for anyone without that level of commitment. Couples who are just dating and aren't to that level yet are not supposed to be able to get partner visas in the first place.

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For what it's worth, though, I'm not so sure you 100% wouldn't be approved. I agree it would be a big gamble (and that's a lot of money to gamble with). However, from my understanding of how these things operate, Immi usually PRIMARILY has an issue with de facto couples who have not lived together at all... or who have only started living together recently and haven't actually known each other a full 12 months yet.

They usually are very strict about the 12-month rule, however... we've definitely seen some people denied for being even just a day short. But if you provided evidence that you've stayed in constant contact, that you've continued to support each other financially, etc. while you've been separated, and if you thoroughly explained that the only reason you've lived apart is that you couldn't afford for one of you not be able to work.... I don't know. I think you'd have a small chance. I just don't know for sure.

I would really suggest talking to a professional on this one. A lot of migration agents will give you an initial consult for free... try PMing Mark Northam on this forum. He might be able to at least tell you if you'd be throwing your money away applying without finding a way to live together longer.

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how was ur partner able to live here for that long?
Working holiday visa!

Could you try for a year-long tourist visa?

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