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Old 01-16-2014, 03:53 AM
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Hi My name is Andy I am a New Zealand Citizen and I live in Sydney Australia... Been living for over 2 years on a special NZ/AU Stay permanent Visa (I have a Stamp of Immigration in my NZ passport)

I am also a Russian Citizen by birth (I migrated to New Zealand when I was 15 and got my Citizenship and passport there) I have changed my First name, when I first got my NZ passport from "Anton" to "Andy" (But still have my citizenship in my birth name "Anton") I do have change of name certificate to prove this.

I have a dilemma. I renewed my Russian passport recently and decided not to change the name in my new Russian passport to "Andy", because I want to keep my birth name in my Russian passport, so now I have two passports with 2 different first names.
I am planning to go back to Russia for a week in 1 months time. By law I can only use my Russian passport to enter the country, but how do I purchase the ticket? And even more, since I'm not a citizen or resident here in AU how do I go about returning to AU with two different names and two passport that are neither from Australia. The only connection to permanent stay in Oz that I have right now is a stamp in my NZ passport, that says Immigrant or immigration.... So What do I do? Can I use 2 passports all they way through along with my change of name certificate? Do I ask AU government to endorse me in my Russian passport? Do I ask NZ government for that? Or do I get a return Visa in my Russian passport due to the fact that I'm on permanent stay here in Oz, burt need to use my Russian passport?

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I don't really see the problem. I also have dual citizenship. the only people will care about the different name on the plane ticket will be the airline and they dont care which passport you show them as long as it got the same name as on the ticket.

Use whichever passport you want to buy the tickets and enter the respective countries with the matching passports.

Since you got your visa to stay in Australia connected to your NZ citizenship it will only stay in connection with your NZ passport. Your russian passport got nothing to do with it

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Thank you.
I actually spoke to Australian Immigration here in Sydney and they told me as long as I am in Australia I can show both passports and my change of name certificate on Check in, at the Customs and even when boarding the plane. Also if I'm changing planes I only need to show my Russian passport because I'm not going through customs or checking in.... So only ticket and id attached to the ticket needed... BUT Once in Russia it is different story... It is ok for me to show my russian passport all the way through when lending in russia, but when checking in to go back to Australia I need to prove that I can go back legally... For that I have my NZ passport WHICH HOLDs A DIFFERENT NAME.... I guess I can use my NZ passport as a "VISA PASS" while in Russia to verify my eligibility to enter Australia... As soon as I get to customs it's all bries... they don't need to see my Russian passport, so NZ passport all the way back....


SO I guess the BIG question do I buy ticket on my NZ passport or Russian passport?


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Other WORDS to go back as a Russian or as a New Zealander?


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They're different things. You have to enter Russia on your Russian passport, you have to leave and enter Australia on your NZ one.

Buy the ticket in your current name, OR notify the airline - I'm sure people with names in non- Roman alphabets so this a lot.


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They're different things. You have to enter Russia on your Russian passport, you have to leave and enter Australia on your NZ one.

Buy the ticket in your current name, OR notify the airline - I'm sure people with names in non- Roman alphabets so this a lot.
I have spoken to 5 different Airlines and they are saying only one passport all they way through journey otherwise problems my occur.

I can easily enter Russia... No problem on Russian passport and tickets purchased on Russian passport, BUT when living Russia and presenting my Russian passport at the check in the question will be: "Where is your visa to Australia?"...... "Oh! It's in my other passport! And by the way I have a different name in that passport. And here is my life story of coming to New zealand and changing the name, then migrating to Australia and getting that Perm Visa in my NZ passport. While renewing my Russian passport with my original birth name...... Is that ok?


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It's very common for dual citizens to use both passports during travel. The airline doesn't know what they're talking about if they tell you you can't do that. The name does kind of mess things up for you though - what about two separate one-way tickets? The one into Russia using your Russian passport and your Russian name... and the one into Aus using your NZ passport and name.

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However, I question whether that's even necessary - women change their name all the time when they marry and as far as I know as long as they carry proof of name change it's not usually an issue.

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Yep I travel on my two passports all the time - I guess the distinction is between check in, and immigration. Immigration you need to use Russian in Russia and NZ in Australia, but for check in, you can use either, and they'll likely want to see both to prove you have the right to enter au/Russia.


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Hi Anton, I've done this a couple of times myself so can offer the following practical experience:
  • when I've flown into Russia, I only needed to show my Russian passport once I had already arrived and I was passing through Immigration in the airport, but I was able to board the flight to Russia on my Australian passport (at check-in I've been asked prove that I had a right to enter Russia - at this point I showed my Russian passport)

  • when I've flown out of Russia I have never, ever been asked to show any proof of my right to enter any other country I happened to be flying to. If you do get asked, then show your NZ passport with evidence of right of abode in Australia.

As for the issue with your name - don't even mention it unless they bring it up, anywhere. Most likely, they will not. If they do, at that point show your certificate of name change. It is probable that nobody will even ask you, because each passport is a legal document requiring many proofs of ID before it is given in the first place - and both of your passports will have your photograph and signature.

In short - don't stress! Buy your ticket with whichever name you like, and proceed confidently knowing that either nobody will question your documents, or if they do, you will have all the documentation necessary to show them.

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