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Old 07-05-2011, 10:47 PM
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Hi guys,
There is an import/export function in adobe that repopulates the fields in the new forms from the already populated fields in the old form. Just export from the old form and then import into the new form. Takes about 5 seconds! Hope that helps.
BTW: Do not believe the DIAC girl. Non essential changes to forms are exactly that...NON ESSENTIAL! Neither the form 40SP or 47SP contain essential changes. Form 40 for sponsorship of a parent does contain essential changes along with a few others.


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Whether or not you are technically correct in using the most up to date form or not why would you use anything but the new!

Yes we all have plenty of forms to fill in and at the end of the day what would you rather... Spending the time to fill in new forms or spending the time waiting longer for your visa to be granted.

I work in a highly administratively heavy role and it's ALWAYS best practice to make the job as easy as possible for the other party in preference to yourself. Who cares if you are technically right... That's not what gets things over the line. Assume every question, confirmation, double check, that your case officer has to make has the potential to create delays.

Remember big picture - to be with your fiancé/partner asap.


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Whether or not you are technically correct in using the most up to date form or not why would you use anything but the new!

Yes we all have plenty of forms to fill in and at the end of the day what would you rather... Spending the time to fill in new forms or spending the time waiting longer for your visa to be granted.

I work in a highly administratively heavy role and it's ALWAYS best practice to make the job as easy as possible for the other party in preference to yourself. Who cares if you are technically right... That's not what gets things over the line. Assume every question, confirmation, double check, that your case officer has to make has the potential to create delays.

Remember big picture - to be with your fiancé/partner asap.
There are a number of reasons you would use the old form eg. You have spent some hours preparing your forms and then DIAC decides to change the form. Or, you have sent it to an agent signed from overseas and then the form changes. Time constraints are a big issue in immigration and not just administrative concerns.


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Whether or not you are technically correct in using the most up to date form or not why would you use anything but the new!

Yes we all have plenty of forms to fill in and at the end of the day what would you rather... Spending the time to fill in new forms or spending the time waiting longer for your visa to be granted.

I work in a highly administratively heavy role and it's ALWAYS best practice to make the job as easy as possible for the other party in preference to yourself. Who cares if you are technically right... That's not what gets things over the line. Assume every question, confirmation, double check, that your case officer has to make has the potential to create delays.

Remember big picture - to be with your fiancé/partner asap.
I have just lodged my application (about an hour ago) at Sydney Immigration Office and the immigration officer said it DOES make a difference... using the new forms makes their lives easier and we all want to please the Immigration staff, don't we?

So I would suggest to anyone to take the time to complete the new forms... it's half an hour of your life... nothing compared to guarantee speedy visa processing! :-)

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OK well now I'm panicked! Yesterday when I lodged they said it didn't matter. There was no way I could have re done them again, I found about the form changes day of my submission, my bf is a plumber so no way he can fill forms out at work stuck in a drain pipe somewhere! By the time we got the office it was 3.30 and they close at 4! Should I re-do them and forward them on? I did make copies but I don't want to bog them down with even more paperwork from me! And the guy already officially stamped our application forms and attached our photos to them while we were there. Thoughts?

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OK well now I'm panicked! Yesterday when I lodged they said it didn't matter. There was no way I could have re done them again, I found about the form changes day of my submission, my bf is a plumber so no way he can fill forms out at work stuck in a drain pipe somewhere! By the time we got the office it was 3.30 and they close at 4! Should I re-do them and forward them on? I did make copies but I don't want to bog them down with even more paperwork from me! And the guy already officially stamped our application forms and attached our photos to them while we were there. Thoughts?
I am a migration agent and I can assure you that as long as the forms relate to non essential changes, there is no problem with lodging the old ones. I have done it 100 times.


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OK well now I'm panicked! Yesterday when I lodged they said it didn't matter. There was no way I could have re done them again, I found about the form changes day of my submission, my bf is a plumber so no way he can fill forms out at work stuck in a drain pipe somewhere! By the time we got the office it was 3.30 and they close at 4! Should I re-do them and forward them on? I did make copies but I don't want to bog them down with even more paperwork from me! And the guy already officially stamped our application forms and attached our photos to them while we were there. Thoughts?
From what I have read and seen, the interpretation of the rules with Immigration varies, depending on who you speak to.

If I were you I would call Immigration and ask them. Make sure you get the name and ID number of the person you speak to back yourself up.

Just a suggestion...

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I am a migration agent and I can assure you that as long as the forms relate to non essential changes, there is no problem with lodging the old ones. I have done it 100 times.
Not saying you aren't on top of your game and you get the job done, but we are currently using a migration agent also and her advice has been very specific especially about form versions.

It's this disconnect and conflicting information people are getting from those who are qualified to advise be they immigration themselves or qualified agents or lawyers.

So unless the applicant is versed 100% in the intricacies of lodging a migration application they could never KNOW whether changes are non-essential or not. I personally, would expect as a professional courtesy that a lawyer or agent acting on my behalf who is charging thousands of dollars in addition to the thousands you are spending on application fees should be granting you the professional courtesy of using the most up-to-date tools / forms / legislation of the day to provide you with the professional service that you're paying for.

Again I'm not in anyway qualified and if I'm talking out my butt feel free to disregard anything I've said.


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Not saying you aren't on top of your game and you get the job done, but we are currently using a migration agent also and her advice has been very specific especially about form versions.

It's this disconnect and conflicting information people are getting from those who are qualified to advise be they immigration themselves or qualified agents or lawyers.

So unless the applicant is versed 100% in the intricacies of lodging a migration application they could never KNOW whether changes are non-essential or not. I personally, would expect as a professional courtesy that a lawyer or agent acting on my behalf who is charging thousands of dollars in addition to the thousands you are spending on application fees should be granting you the professional courtesy of using the most up-to-date tools / forms / legislation of the day to provide you with the professional service that you're paying for.

Again I'm not in anyway qualified and if I'm talking out my butt feel free to disregard anything I've said.
Please go to immi website and type in "changes to forms and booklets" there is a PDF that lists all essential and non essential changes. Please also note the difference between essential and non essential changes.
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so, to summarise:

if DIAC says the changes are non-essential then you can submit the old forms and it should be ok

but if you have the time to transfer the info from the old form to the new form then you should probably do so.


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