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My name is Thomas and I'm helping to get my fiance Rachel into Australia under a Prospective Marriage Visa (Subclass 300). We met on the Internet in September of 2012 and formed a relationship very shortly after. Our relationship had moved very quickly, but we are madly in love. In July of 2013, I had traveled to the states to finally see her in person rather than through Skype. After the first week of my two week stay in Detroit Michigan, I popped the question at one of the nicest restaurants I've ever been to. We talk online daily and Skype almost every day.

We've now taken it to the next step and put through an application through IMMI's online system for a PMV. I'm worried that it is a bit too late and she might not have her visa granted by our date for the wedding (October 4th 2014)... But with a little luck, it may come through.

I wanted to create a thread here outlining our story, timeline, status and any questions I might have about the process (Of which i have many).

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Current Timeline:
  • 02-FEB-2014 : Submitted and paid for application online.
  • 05-FEB-2014 : Uploaded sponsor's certified birth certificate, drivers license and passport.
  • 08-FEB-2014 : Uploaded Statutory Declaration 1 (From friend of sponsor)
  • 08-FEB-2014 : Uploaded letter from celebrant regarding intention to marry within 9 months of visa.
  • 08-FEB-2014 : Uploaded applicant's birth certificate.
  • 10-FEB-2014 : Uploaded Statutory Declaration 2 (From mother of sponsor).
  • 26-FEB-2014 : Uploaded applicant's evidence of address (Notarized copy of drivers licence).
  • 26-FEB-2014 : Uploaded applicant's notarized birth certificate copy.
  • 26-FEB-2014 : Uploaded applicant's notarized passport copy (Still awaiting legit passport copy).
  • 26-FEB-2014 : Uploaded sponsor's evidence of employment (Tax Assessment 2012/2013, Letter from previous employer)
  • 26-FEB-2014 : Uploaded applicant's FBI check result scan.
  • 06-JUN-2014 : Request for information received from IMMI (Basic checklist)
  • 27-JUN-2014 : Request for information revieved from IMMI (Mothers certificate of citizenship, State police check, Health check)
  • 27-JUN-2014 : Received case officer: ML.
  • 04-JUL-2014 : Uploaded state police check and my mother's birth certificate.
  • 08-JUL-2014 : Health examination
  • 30-JUL-2014 : Verifcation from case officer of health clearance and finalisation in August.
  • 08-AUG-2014 : Visa granted.
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So, I have a few questions about the application process. Rachel is 20 and I am 25... The fact that we are relatively young (and the fact that even the relationship is somewhat young too -- 1 year and 4 months) makes me think that perhaps the case officer might not take the relationship seriously and deny the visa on that basis. Is there a chance of that happening, or am I too paranoid?

Also, as much as I hate the fact that I'm in this position. I live with my parents and am still at university. I have a part time job as a computer programmer that pays pretty well, but probably not enough to live on my own and still study towards my degree. We do plan on moving out once Rachel is able to find a job here, but on my own income alone we would have to stay with my parents. My parents are 100% ok with this, but is this potentially something that the case officer might see as an issue?

The list of documents to upload in the online system seems to be the same for the sponsor AND the applicant, so I'm somewhat unsure of what needs to be done and by who. I know Rachel needs to get her FBI check which has been sent off, but do I also need to get a check from the AFP?

They also specify needing documentation for evidence that I am a permanent resident. Do I need to add this if I have already added proof that I am a citizen via my birth certificate? The description for this item states: "Please provide evidence that the person supporting your application is an Australian permanent resident. This may include a certified copy of a Residence Certificate or letter/statement from the Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC)."

Any help to any of my questions would be greatly appreciated. Thankyou in advance. =)

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Howdy all,

My name is Thomas and I'm helping to get my fiance Rachel into Australia under a Prospective Marriage Visa (Subclass 300). We met on the Internet in September of 2012 and formed a relationship very shortly after. Our relationship had moved very quickly, but we are madly in love. In July of 2013, I had traveled to the states to finally see her in person rather than through Skype. After the first week of my two week stay in Detroit Michigan, I popped the question at one of the nicest restaurants I've ever been to. We talk online daily and Skype almost every day. Immigration will only look at your relationship since the time you met in person, so from July 2013. That said, it isn't so necessary for the PMV

We've now taken it to the next step and put through an application through IMMI's online system for a PMV. I'm worried that it is a bit too late and she might not have her visa granted by our date for the wedding (October 4th 2014)... But with a little luck, it may come through. It may well not come through in time, you should make sure you have a back up plan

I wanted to create a thread here outlining our story, timeline, status and any questions I might have about the process (Of which i have many).

---
Current Timeline:
  • 02-FEB-2014 : Submitted and paid for application online.
  • 05-FEB-2014 : Uploaded sponsor's certified birth certificate, drivers license and passport.
---

So, I have a few questions about the application process. Rachel is 20 and I am 25... The fact that we are relatively young (and the fact that even the relationship is somewhat young too -- 1 year and 4 months) makes me think that perhaps the case officer might not take the relationship seriously and deny the visa on that basis. Is there a chance of that happening, or am I too paranoid? I think you would have a good chance, IMHO, I don't see a problem

Also, as much as I hate the fact that I'm in this position. I live with my parents and am still at university. I have a part time job as a computer programmer that pays pretty well, but probably not enough to live on my own and still study towards my degree. We do plan on moving out once Rachel is able to find a job here, but on my own income alone we would have to stay with my parents. My parents are 100% ok with this, but is this potentially something that the case officer might see as an issue? Get statements from your parents as stat decs, that the living arrangement is OK with them...

The list of documents to upload in the online system seems to be the same for the sponsor AND the applicant, so I'm somewhat unsure of what needs to be done and by who. I know Rachel needs to get her FBI check which has been sent off, but do I also need to get a check from the AFP? You only need the AFP check if there are children migrating with her... so probably no, you don't need one.

They also specify needing documentation for evidence that I am a permanent resident. Do I need to add this if I have already added proof that I am a citizen via my birth certificate? The description for this item states: "Please provide evidence that the person supporting your application is an Australian permanent resident. This may include a certified copy of a Residence Certificate or letter/statement from the Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC)." That doesn't apply to you if you are a citizen, but you do need to provide, birth certificate and passport.

Any help to any of my questions would be greatly appreciated. Thankyou in advance. =)
Get as many stat decs as you can from friends and family that are Australians that know about your relationship, get them to "meet" her online if you have to via skype etc. The evidence requirements for the 300 application aren't as bad as for the 309 but if it is like the paper application was then they don't make it clear that is the case. The application was done on the same form, which tended to freak out 300 applicants. Just make it clear in your supporting statements how you plan to build a life together after you are married.

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Hi Thomas!

My (American) husband is applying for the 820 partner visa, so it's a slightly different visa to yours, with certain different requirements so I can't answer every question.

I can help you with some of the generic questions though: first, you will notice that on the checklist for the online application it will state that not all documents are required for every application and you need to determine which documents are required by you. To be a sponsor you need to be either a citizen or permanent resident so since you have proven your citizenship through your birth certificate, you don't need to prove permanent residency - that document is only required for someone who is not a citizen.

As for the AFP check, I'm not positive about the PMV but for the partner visa, the AFP check is only required if a child under 18 is migrating with the applicant. You should verify this for yourself but I'm pretty sure that unless your fiancée is bringing over a child with her then you do not need the check. She DOES need an FBI check however and that is required for all applicants.

No, it shouldn't be a problem that you live with your parents and only work part-time. Immigration do require that you, as her sponsor, ensure that she has a place to stay, but they don't really care where that place is so parents house (or share house, caravan park or whatever) is absolutely fine. They just don't want to hear that you're living under a bridge or in a homeless shelter. Have your parents write a statement explaining that you live there and that you and your fiancée are able to stay there as long as you need to - until you finish your studies, start earning more money etc.

They have withdrawn the Assurance of Support requirement for partner visas so your income isn't really a concern provided that your fiancée can prove that she is employable herself (does she have education, work experience etc). Your income and the fact that live with your parents in a stable home is perfectly acceptable and they just need to be assured that your fiancée won't be attempting to gain government cash benefits as soon as she arrives onshore. I would write a statement outlining your future plans - ie that your fiancée intends to work and that you intend to find full time employment after finishing your study course and show them that you both have long term plans to support yourself and that in the meantime you have centrelink benefits (if you do) part time work income and family support. They will be fine with that - we have people on this forum applying for partner visas while on single parenting benefits or disability payments and some who are even on unemployment benefits.

Age: I don't think it will be an issue as long as you satisfy the criteria for genuine relationship and a genuine intent to get married. DIBP aren't there to judge who we fall in love with or when we fall in love, they are there to determine if our relationships are genuine. They might personally think you are very young, but if you meet the required criteria then they shouldn't (I say shouldn't because anything is possible) reject your application based on that fact. They may scrutinize your application more thoroughly if they see a red flag, so make sure your application is as strong as it can possibly be but I think you will be ok

Good luck!

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Welcome to the forum, Thomas. The others have addressed your other questions well, but I just wanted to say... I do think there's a real possibility you won't have your PMV by your wedding date. I'm assuming it's too late to push that date back a little? We actually decided to have a small Sydney ceremony a couple of months after the PMV grant, whenever that happened, and then a big friends-and-family wedding back in the states later precisely because of the scheduling issue. It's ridiculous, I know - this visa is for people who want to get married but they make it impossible to plan a nice wedding when you have NO way of knowing when you can have it.

Anyway, keeping my fingers crossed for you that processing times don't go up any further. And again - welcome to the forum!

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Get as many stat decs as you can from friends and family that are Australians that know about your relationship, get them to "meet" her online if you have to via skype etc. The evidence requirements for the 300 application aren't as bad as for the 309 but if it is like the paper application was then they don't make it clear that is the case. The application was done on the same form, which tended to freak out 300 applicants. Just make it clear in your supporting statements how you plan to build a life together after you are married.
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Will do! A few of my friends have been talking to her on facebook for quite some time, as well as my mum too, so that should be good. I'll be able to have the stat decs covered. Thanks

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They have withdrawn the Assurance of Support requirement for partner visas so your income isn't really a concern provided that your fiancée can prove that she is employable herself (does she have education, work experience etc). Your income and the fact that live with your parents in a stable home is perfectly acceptable and they just need to be assured that your fiancée won't be attempting to gain government cash benefits as soon as she arrives onshore. I would write a statement outlining your future plans - ie that your fiancée intends to work and that you intend to find full time employment after finishing your study course and show them that you both have long term plans to support yourself and that in the meantime you have centrelink benefits (if you do) part time work income and family support. They will be fine with that - we have people on this forum applying for partner visas while on single parenting benefits or disability payments and some who are even on unemployment benefits.

Age: I don't think it will be an issue as long as you satisfy the criteria for genuine relationship and a genuine intent to get married. DIBP aren't there to judge who we fall in love with or when we fall in love, they are there to determine if our relationships are genuine. They might personally think you are very young, but if you meet the required criteria then they shouldn't (I say shouldn't because anything is possible) reject your application based on that fact. They may scrutinize your application more thoroughly if they see a red flag, so make sure your application is as strong as it can possibly be but I think you will be ok
Definitely a load off my mind, we've talked quite a lot about what we plan on doing once she gets here. That being getting her full time work, moving out to rent a place, then once I've finished uni we will look for a place to buy. She doesn't have much in the way of qualifications as she is just out of high school. She had started college but withdrew as she would be moving here. Though she has experience as a barista and clerk, hopefully that can get us somewhere. thanks so much for the response =)


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Welcome to the forum, Thomas. The others have addressed your other questions well, but I just wanted to say... I do think there's a real possibility you won't have your PMV by your wedding date. I'm assuming it's too late to push that date back a little? We actually decided to have a small Sydney ceremony a couple of months after the PMV grant, whenever that happened, and then a big friends-and-family wedding back in the states later precisely because of the scheduling issue. It's ridiculous, I know - this visa is for people who want to get married but they make it impossible to plan a nice wedding when you have NO way of knowing when you can have it.

Anyway, keeping my fingers crossed for you that processing times don't go up any further. And again - welcome to the forum!
Yeah I knew we would really be pushing it. We originally had planned to have the application done a lot sooner but time got away from us. Part of me hopes that the fact that we've specified the date we're planning the wedding would kind of make them work around our dates rather than having them process it whenever they feel like.... As arrogant as that does make me sound.

October 4th does have a bit of a meaning to us as it would also be our 2 year anniversary of being together, but if it doesn't work out, It isn't the end of the world.

Thanks so much for the answers everyone, I just got my first stat dec in the mail from a friend and co-worker and I'm just about to scan and upload it now!


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Will do! A few of my friends have been talking to her on facebook for quite some time, as well as my mum too, so that should be good. I'll be able to have the stat decs covered. Thanks



Definitely a load off my mind, we've talked quite a lot about what we plan on doing once she gets here. That being getting her full time work, moving out to rent a place, then once I've finished uni we will look for a place to buy. She doesn't have much in the way of qualifications as she is just out of high school. She had started college but withdrew as she would be moving here. Though she has experience as a barista and clerk, hopefully that can get us somewhere. thanks so much for the response =)




Yeah I knew we would really be pushing it. We originally had planned to have the application done a lot sooner but time got away from us. Part of me hopes that the fact that we've specified the date we're planning the wedding would kind of make them work around our dates rather than having them process it whenever they feel like.... As arrogant as that does make me sound.

October 4th does have a bit of a meaning to us as it would also be our 2 year anniversary of being together, but if it doesn't work out, It isn't the end of the world.

Thanks so much for the answers everyone, I just got my first stat dec in the mail from a friend and co-worker and I'm just about to scan and upload it now!
It doesn't make you sound arrogant - I think most people think that. Unfortunately numerous people have had to reschedule their weddings. It doesn't really work that way. You can, of course, at least ask if it starts getting close to time and point out how big a deal it would be to reschedule your wedding... The worst they can say is no.

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Bit of a quick status update and a couple of questions. The 2 statutory declarations have been uploaded along with certified proofs of citizenship, Rachels (uncertified or notarized) birth certificate has been uploaded and the letter we received from our celebrant has also been uploaded. Rachel will be getting copies of her passport, drivers license, birth certificate and social security notarized in the coming days for those to be uploaded too.

I wanted to ask, is two statutory declarations enough or should I be looking at getting more? Also, the checklist asks that I write a declaration of the relationships history from my point of view, is this something that should be a statutory declaration (if so, which forms do i use), or is it cool to write it out as a plain document and leave as is?


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Uploaded a bunch of stuff today and still waiting on a few things, but it's really coming together. Not much left in the way of things to upload and sort out!

I still have the two questions in my previous post that I would like some insight on.

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I wanted to ask, is two statutory declarations enough or should I be looking at getting more? Also, the checklist asks that I write a declaration of the relationships history from my point of view, is this something that should be a statutory declaration (if so, which forms do i use), or is it cool to write it out as a plain document and leave as is?
Also, We got the FBI check back (woot!), though whenever it is scanned, the security features show a "void" watermark all over the document. Is it OK to upload that? or should the entire document be posted to the Australian Embassy in Washington?

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Also, We got the FBI check back (woot!), though whenever it is scanned, the security features show a "void" watermark all over the document. Is it OK to upload that? or should the entire document be posted to the Australian Embassy in Washington?
I think this is a case officer by case officer preference, from what I've found on these forums. I applied onshore and my case officer requested that I scan the FBI check in rather than post it, so I did--void marks and all. She accepted it like that. I'd say scan it in with the void marks, and wait to see if they ask you to send in the physical copy.


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Each of your statements about your relationship can just be on plain paper. No particular format for that.

I would really try to get more than 2 stat decs if you can. 2 is the minimum, and though people are approved with just 2, can't hurt to supply more if that's possible for you.

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