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Old 02-14-2014, 07:35 AM
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why on earth ?

one of the main things when applying for a pmv is proving to the australian immi that you are in a loving ongoing caring relation ship, the way i was going to prove that was to spend 3 months in aus and 3 months in her country on going until she could get all her papers and affairs in order, but the aus government has made is so hard for me to do that now by saying that on a dsp they will only allow you to spend 6 weeks out of the country on pension payments, so from 13 weeks down to 6 weeks, with no real explanation, i and most people can not afford that, i will never work again so why do they do this who knows. does not make any sense at all.


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So sorry for you as you are bending over backwards to get your partner over....

The real guilty people are like that Indian couple on A Current Affair....tonight , with their scam marriages plus certain migrants, on the news lately, that give the Australian public a bad feeling about letting too many immigrants in too easily >>>as they see it....

In the end everyone pays the price...

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Old 02-14-2014, 10:54 AM
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So sorry for you as you are bending over backwards to get your partner over....

The real guilty people are like that Indian couple on A Current Affair....tonight , with their scam marriages plus certain migrants, on the news lately, that give the Australian public a bad feeling about letting too many immigrants in too easily >>>as they see it....

In the end everyone pays the price...



Australia is a land of opportunities, why don't they put their time and energy in doing something good for the society rather than getting their whole freaking village to Australia.
They should be punished with maximum penalty so this doesn't happen in the future.

Arghhhhhhh makes me furious. It is because of such selfish and cold-hearted people that the geniune couples have to go through this god-forsaken process. If they wanna do things like that why don't they go back to where they came from.

Shame on such people!!! They are the cause of our misery and pain!!
They should be deported. They don't deserve to live in Australia. People like them are polluting and corrupting Australia!!! making it like the country they left


Topic:- My husband's centrelink got cancelled as well for the whole 6 months he was living with me and my parents. It sucks the way they do things. They re getting strictter and strictter now. Worse thing is they are not flexible depending on who they are dealing with such as yourself. It's stupid. Things are as hard as they can get and with the other financial issues it just gets more difficult.
Hope it gets better for you and your partner. Don't forget at the end of the day it's all worth it.
There is light at the end of this loooooooong arse tunnel!!


Good Luck.

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Old 02-14-2014, 11:46 AM
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Eleanor - I believe the reasoning behind the cuts was because too many people on centrelink benefits were living in 3rd world countries where cost of living is so cheap that centrelink benefits is like being on a six figure income. They would fly out for the maximum time and then fly back into Australia for a week and then fly back out.

The problem with that is that centrelink benefits come from the Australian economy and are then getting spent in other countries and not going back into the Australian economy. It costs the government a lot then just the actual cost of the benefits when people use that loophole. It weakens our economy and can impact our unemployment rate, lead to loss of jobs for Australians etc.

The economy is a fine balance and honestly, if too much money leaves Australian shores then the economy suffers and taxes are increased or the cost of goods are increased or other benefits are slashed. It's so much more complex than most people realise.

Also to be fair, the governments responsibility is to create and nurture a sustainable first world economy for all Australians, it's not the government responsibility to facilitate overseas relationships. You made that choice on your own and it's not really fair on Australia or the taxpayer to lose out on the money you should be spending on Australian shores just so you can nurture a romantic relationship with a foreigner in foreign country. That's something you chose. I chose it as well and I accept that the hardships we face in being together are not to be blamed on the government....the Australian government didn't hold a gun to my head.

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well here i go again,i should of known better, first thanks danan and becky, the only thing i can say to star hunter is i have been to a third world country , and an aus dsp is in no way like a six figure sum , the reason a FEW people fly in and out of aus is because the dsp does not give you a very good life here in aus if that is all you have in life , think about it, and people that are disabled do not chose to be im sure of that, one slip up and any one could be on a dsp, your health is in the hands of god, and i like to think that when i go overseas to be with my partner i go on my own money, not the pension money, that stays here to be spent in aus on house, that i own, my rates, my insurance, water hydro,car rego, petrol,every thing that goes with owning a house and car in australia, like every one else, the money i go over seas with is my super money, yes i have super, i did work for 40 years be fore i got sick, in the one job, its like becky said they target the wrong people, its the way c/l treat you when you want to go and live with your love that stinks, and dont think it cant happen to you, because it wont be long now and any one on oap will be in the same boat, you leave aus for a holiday and your pension will stop, yes no one is holding a gun to my head, but a little bit of compassion and help and understanding from our government would go a long way here, there i have got out my frustrations now, i will say no more about it.

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I have had several clients with the same predicament and I sympathise with your plight, but you know the government won't change the rules. If anything, things are likely to get tougher.

There is nothing you can do about it, so it might be more productive to think about ways to make this work for you within the system as it is rather than lamenting the unfairness of it all.

As far as the PMV is concerned, as long as you have met in person and you have good evidence of an ongoing relationship and your intention to get married, the travel restrictions should not really affect you.

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well here i go again,i should of known better, first thanks danan and becky, the only thing i can say to star hunter is i have been to a third world country , and an aus dsp is in no way like a six figure sum.
think again the pension in the Philippines would equate to around 80,000 P per month ,that's a lot
Disability support is to live in australia not overseas ,its not a wage its support from the Australian government and taxpayers
As for the super ..yes yours to do what you like with it

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Old 02-14-2014, 10:31 PM
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well here i go again,i should of known better, first thanks danan and becky, the only thing i can say to star hunter is i have been to a third world country , and an aus dsp is in no way like a six figure sum , the reason a FEW people fly in and out of aus is because the dsp does not give you a very good life here in aus if that is all you have in life , think about it, and people that are disabled do not chose to be im sure of that, one slip up and any one could be on a dsp, your health is in the hands of god, and i like to think that when i go overseas to be with my partner i go on my own money, not the pension money, that stays here to be spent in aus on house, that i own, my rates, my insurance, water hydro,car rego, petrol,every thing that goes with owning a house and car in australia, like every one else, the money i go over seas with is my super money, yes i have super, i did work for 40 years be fore i got sick, in the one job, its like becky said they target the wrong people, its the way c/l treat you when you want to go and live with your love that stinks, and dont think it cant happen to you, because it wont be long now and any one on oap will be in the same boat, you leave aus for a holiday and your pension will stop, yes no one is holding a gun to my head, but a little bit of compassion and help and understanding from our government would go a long way here, there i have got out my frustrations now, i will say no more about it.
You entirely miss my point. The rules are not to punish you for being disabled, it's purely a matter of economics and what is feasible and sustainable and what is not.

No one is saying that you rort the system or that you are seeking to get one over on the taxpayer or that you don't deserve a relationship. The fact is that it isn't the governments responsibility to facilitate your overseas romance, so they have no obligation to make sure that relationships such as yours are easily developed.

You seem to think that it's unfair that the government has put a cap on the time you can recieve your pension overseas, but I'm not sure why feel that way. The pension is for your support in Australia, it's not designed for you to spend enriching other economies and in doing so, you actually take money out of circulation in Australia, which does harm our economy.

Again, I'm not suggesting that you, personally, are seeking to screw Australia over and I'm pretty sure the government don't think that either, but it's better economically to reduce the amount of Australian money that is taken offshore - no more and no less. Don't take it personally, it's not a hate measure or a way to demean or punish those who can't work.

Also, an Australian DSP definitely makes a very tidy income in the majority of third world countries...maybe the country you reside in is the exception.

As for the "choice" comment, I didn't mean for you to think I was saying that the choice was a poor one. The fact remains though that we all did make a choice - including myself - and it's unreasonable to expect the taxpayer to lose out as a result of that choice. I've lost money due to my choice to marry an American, in fact this has been incredibly expensive for both of us, but I don't expect for the average Australian to pay for that choice.

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I can give you a possible reason.

I visited Thailand and meet a bloke on the Disability Pension just before the rule change you speak about.
Soon after his divorce (1 child) he suddenly developed Ross River Fever (Is horrid when active) and obtained the pension and then moved to Thailand for the maximum stay each time for years.
He stayed in a serviced motel type room, ate out and drank at good restaurants every meal, paid for his weekly laundry to be done, had 10 cans of beer every day, 2 packets of smokes a day, went to a girly bar and took home deserts once a week, purchased and maintain an expensive motor bike for transport there and obvious other expenses of living.

After the rule change he got a job driving a forklift in Perth, I hope he is paying child maintenance now too.

As for the PMV I do not see how such a long time together will help - the minimum is that you must have meet. You need things like joint assets, future plans and arrangements, stat decs from family and friends and financial commitments. None of that require 6 months together. Obviously being together for more than 1 day will be of benefit.

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Ampk - my dad is retired army and knows of quite a few ex soldiers who got their military pensions and moved overseas and lived very well indeed. The lifestyle that one can have with even a mediocre income by Australian standards is often mind blowing - they lived in serviced apartments with full time housekeeping, expensive entertainments, great food and beer etc. I think my dad was tempted too for a time....except mum would have hunted him down and gouged his heart out with a spoon, lol.

I can definitely see why people are tempted by that lifestyle and I guess the government figured out that for many struggling on limited income in Australia the idea was very attractive and they had to do something.

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