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Old 02-20-2014, 02:17 AM
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Visa Subclass 820 Questions

I am sure these questions have all been asked and answered before, but everyone's situation is different right!

Any answers are very much appreciated!!
  1. Do I scan/copy our receipts/tickets/stuff like that, to be put into the application? Or do I provide the originals attached in some way?

    2. We have no shared bank accounts, we didn't really get the time to when we were in Aus, and when we moved back to Ireland, couldn't open a bank account until my partner got a job because she needed her visa registered (which took a long time) to get her PPS number, and by the time we were about to sort that out she had to return back to Australia! Will that be a problem? We have bank transfers between our accounts, that's all really.

    3. Living with her Grandmother to begin with, we have hardly any 'hard' evidence of living at the same address, merely a TFN Advice Letter, and payslips from my work with that address. We then moved to Ireland, lived with my mum (rent free!) for about 2-3 months until we got a flat, which we have a rent book to show. Partner has letters (from family in Aus) addressed to her at my mumís address, that's all. At the flat we have a rent book in our names and shared electricity bills thank god, I don't know how we managed that but we did! Will Registering the Relationship in NSW help our case of not having any 'hard' evidence? Do you think I should get my mum/dad to do a stat. dec about us living there?

    4. Will bank statements with notes next to them like "groceries, board, movies, football tickets and such" be enough? We didn't tend to keep alot of grocery receipts, and we don't have any rent or bill receipts except for the 4 (I think) months we were living in the flat.

    5. How do I present pictures? Print them on a word document with captions? Do I need to have this signed by both my partner and I and certified? Put them in a plastic sleeve with descriptions on the back?

    6. We would have been living in separate countries for about 3-4 months (by the time I get back to Australia). My Partner left Ireland because we could not afford to live, and with her visa up in 6 months, we wouldn't of been able to save up enough to get us both back over and then we would have been living in separate countries even longer. At the moment we are apart due to issues with my driverís license in Ireland (I don't want to have to go through the whole p's process in Australia, so I am waiting to do it in Ireland and it's taking a while..) Do you think the department will take this very seriously?

    7. We also only really call each other 1-2 times a week, so our phone bills will be useless. We Viber message and Viber call, how would we use that to prove our communication? Take a screenshot of the calls, conversations and print it out as a picture? We don't Skype often either. I didnít have a smartphone and sort out any internet until Mid-January, so from December 11th (when she left) to mid-January we really only have a Skype call log (and itís not very long!) We donít email, we donít text, and Iím not really one to write so we donít have any letters sent to her. She has letters sent to me though, how would we present them? Put them in a plastic sleeve and put post it notes with Titles and explaining them?

    8. Is it ANY use at all screen-shotting and printing Facebook life events, banter, messages from my family to hers and what not? Would they go under social?
Thatís all for now If you have any other tips or see something that doesnít look right or great please let me know! Will be appreciated

Dylan.


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Hi Dylan!

1. If doing an online application then you can just scan and upload the evidence and if they are scanned in colour, all documents can be uncertified (yes, including official documents). If black and white then official documents (passport, birth cert etc) need to be certified. All other relationship evidence does not need to be certified. For a paper application, just take a copy of each piece of evidence and include the copy - don't send originals because they don't always return evidence to you. Official documents need to be certified but relationship evidence does not.

2. Financial evidence is important so I would definitely try and include as much as you can but if you don't have a joint bank account then you don't have one - and you wouldn't be the first couple not to have one. You will need to prove on some way that you support each other financially but you can use bank statements with things highlighted from each of you showing how you both provided money towards the household or if one of you didn't work prove that the other person supported them by providing for their needs (as is the case in many couples). The joint electricity bills can also be used to show joint finances. The transferring of funds to one another is great evidence of financial commitment. Also, has either of you paid for large purchases for the other - plane tickets, furniture, cars, even things like textbooks etc? If so, make a special note of those purchases on bank statements. I would also include a statutory declaration outlining your financial situation and explain why you don't yet have a joint bank account but that you intend to open one as soon as possible. Make note of the ways you two have financially supported one another.

3. First off, relationship registration in NSW will waive the 12 months cohabitation requirement, which I'm sure you know already. It doesn't really help with the need to still provide evidence of your relationship - although it can still be used as evidence itself. A lease and electricity bills in both your names are good pieces of evidence and yes, having your parents and also her grandmother write statements regarding your living situation is a good idea and one that a lot of members on this forum have used. Also include TFN letter and payslips sent to that address. Include letters from your family to your partner but if you have the envelopes they are even better evidence as they are addressed and postmarked so hold a bit more legitimacy as true evidence (since letters themselves can be faked or hurriedly written in an attempt to generate more evidence and envelopes with postmarks show a history of contact).

4. Answer sort of bundled with question 2.

5. Photos: are you applying via paper or online? If online you just scan the photos and write a caption in the box provided. for paper applications I have seen people just scan them 2-4 to a page and then write a caption underneath each photo. You don't need to have them certified or signed by you.

6. This is a tricky one and I'm not entirely sure what to say. I really don't think they will consider staying in Ireland for the purposes of a drivers licence to be a particularly good reason but at the same time since your relationship will be registered you don't need hard proof of 12 months cohabitation. I think that if you make sure all your relationship evidence is strong and show that you maintained contact while apart it won't be a deal breaker. I definitely don't think it's ideal though. You could write another statement describing your circumstances and explain your plans for the future ie living together permanently etc.

However, I'm not sure if you mean that you will have been separated 3-4 months prior to applying for the visa or whether you will have had some time together before applying? You really need to have lived together for a period of time directly before applying for the visa for a partner visa (as opposed to a PMV). I don't know if it's impossible to get one if separated immediately prior, but I imagine it will be very difficult. If possible, definitely try and cohabitate for a period of several months before applying just to increase your chances.

7. Just get what you can to provide to immigration and try and paint the most comprehensive picture of your contact as possible. Include screenshots of viber calls and messages and a history log of your skype calls. Definitely include evidence of the letters that she sent you and anything else you may have done to show your committment while apart - gifts you ordered for her online (credit card statements and online invoices can be used as evidence). Don't use plastic sleeves as there was a lot of discussion a while back about how much immigration hate things like plastic folders, sleeves and definitely not staples. Just copy the letters, envelopes or other evidence and compile them together in a neat pile and use a paper clip if you must separate the different sections of evidence. Post it notes are fine as far as I know. A lot of people also include a statement for each section of evidence explaining what the evidence is, so you can choose either method (or none).

8. Facebook evidence is commonly used by a lot of members in all sorts of creative ways so take advantage of Facebook evidence for sure. You can access a Facebook/us page which if you and your partner are registered as in a relationship on Facebook it will bring up your combined couples page. It shows your mutual friends, joint check ins, things you have tagged one another in etc. yes, Facebook evidence would come under social and also nature of commitment of you used Facebook to keep in touch while separated.

Hope that helps

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Hi Dylan!

1. If doing an online application then you can just scan and upload the evidence and if they are scanned in colour, all documents can be uncertified (yes, including official documents). If black and white then official documents (passport, birth cert etc) need to be certified. All other relationship evidence does not need to be certified. For a paper application, just take a copy of each piece of evidence and include the copy - don't send originals because they don't always return evidence to you. Official documents need to be certified but relationship evidence does not.

2. Financial evidence is important so I would definitely try and include as much as you can but if you don't have a joint bank account then you don't have one - and you wouldn't be the first couple not to have one. You will need to prove on some way that you support each other financially but you can use bank statements with things highlighted from each of you showing how you both provided money towards the household or if one of you didn't work prove that the other person supported them by providing for their needs (as is the case in many couples). The joint electricity bills can also be used to show joint finances. The transferring of funds to one another is great evidence of financial commitment. Also, has either of you paid for large purchases for the other - plane tickets, furniture, cars, even things like textbooks etc? If so, make a special note of those purchases on bank statements. I would also include a statutory declaration outlining your financial situation and explain why you don't yet have a joint bank account but that you intend to open one as soon as possible. Make note of the ways you two have financially supported one another.

3. First off, relationship registration in NSW will waive the 12 months cohabitation requirement, which I'm sure you know already. It doesn't really help with the need to still provide evidence of your relationship - although it can still be used as evidence itself. A lease and electricity bills in both your names are good pieces of evidence and yes, having your parents and also her grandmother write statements regarding your living situation is a good idea and one that a lot of members on this forum have used. Also include TFN letter and payslips sent to that address. Include letters from your family to your partner but if you have the envelopes they are even better evidence as they are addressed and postmarked so hold a bit more legitimacy as true evidence (since letters themselves can be faked or hurriedly written in an attempt to generate more evidence and envelopes with postmarks show a history of contact).

4. Answer sort of bundled with question 2.

5. Photos: are you applying via paper or online? If online you just scan the photos and write a caption in the box provided. for paper applications I have seen people just scan them 2-4 to a page and then write a caption underneath each photo. You don't need to have them certified or signed by you.

6. This is a tricky one and I'm not entirely sure what to say. I really don't think they will consider staying in Ireland for the purposes of a drivers licence to be a particularly good reason but at the same time since your relationship will be registered you don't need hard proof of 12 months cohabitation. I think that if you make sure all your relationship evidence is strong and show that you maintained contact while apart it won't be a deal breaker. I definitely don't think it's ideal though. You could write another statement describing your circumstances and explain your plans for the future ie living together permanently etc.

However, I'm not sure if you mean that you will have been separated 3-4 months prior to applying for the visa or whether you will have had some time together before applying? You really need to have lived together for a period of time directly before applying for the visa for a partner visa (as opposed to a PMV). I don't know if it's impossible to get one if separated immediately prior, but I imagine it will be very difficult. If possible, definitely try and cohabitate for a period of several months before applying just to increase your chances.

7. Just get what you can to provide to immigration and try and paint the most comprehensive picture of your contact as possible. Include screenshots of viber calls and messages and a history log of your skype calls. Definitely include evidence of the letters that she sent you and anything else you may have done to show your committment while apart - gifts you ordered for her online (credit card statements and online invoices can be used as evidence). Don't use plastic sleeves as there was a lot of discussion a while back about how much immigration hate things like plastic folders, sleeves and definitely not staples. Just copy the letters, envelopes or other evidence and compile them together in a neat pile and use a paper clip if you must separate the different sections of evidence. Post it notes are fine as far as I know. A lot of people also include a statement for each section of evidence explaining what the evidence is, so you can choose either method (or none).

8. Facebook evidence is commonly used by a lot of members in all sorts of creative ways so take advantage of Facebook evidence for sure. You can access a Facebook/us page which if you and your partner are registered as in a relationship on Facebook it will bring up your combined couples page. It shows your mutual friends, joint check ins, things you have tagged one another in etc. yes, Facebook evidence would come under social and also nature of commitment of you used Facebook to keep in touch while separated.

Hope that helps
Thanks a bunch we are going to apply for a joint bank account 1 month before I come to aus (which is around about now!) and try to live together for as long as possible before we apply for the visa. I am coming on the 651 ( I think) tourist, and hoping to get a bridging. Would you advise waiting 2 months, like you said to increase our chances?


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I think for onshore applications (and offshore applications for that matter), any time spent together before applying is beneficial. If you have the chance to spend time together before applying then I definitely think it would be the best choice. More cohabitation means more evidence which is never a bad thing

During that time of living together in Aus before applying really concentrate on evidence gathering. Make a conscious effort to actually use the joint bank account for living expenses. Try and organise to have some mail addressed to you at your Australian address - even if you just purchase something online and then keep the packing label. Organise utility bills in both names if possible, but if not try and have one bill in one name and the other bill in the other person's name. Create a joint membership at the local video store - even if you don't generally rent movies.

If you go to the movies, or a restaurant for dinner, pay with credit card or EFTPOS and not cash so you can cross reference the transaction with the tickets (that you also keep) to prove that you do things together socially. Basically, do what you can to show DIBP that you are committed to being a couple in Australia, even after spending those few months apart

Good luck!

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