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Old 08-22-2010, 05:49 AM
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Any help welcome !!! Regarding how to be together

Ok so here is our delima,
My boyfriend lives in QLD and I live in Canada. I have recently come back from Australia from my second time there and we know that we want to be together...however neither of us want to make the commitment of having to get married at this point. We both feel as though it is a huge step to make and with a PMV you ultimately do have to marry. I do not qualify for a work visa basically because I can not get enough points with the new SOL(my skill set is no longer even listed) and I have been trying very hard to get work sponsorship but this is not as easy as it was made out to be. I am planning on returning back to Australia shortly with my daughter so that she can meet my bf and his children ,,,,so here are my questions:
1~ my current visitors visa ( I believe it is an Evisa as I applied online and my understanding is that you can only get an ETA through a travel agent) will expire in January. Can I reapply for one when I apply for my daughters? And to avoid a no further stay do I have to get it from a travel agent?
2~ I understand that with an ETA and Evisa you may only stay in Aus for 3 months... can you actually just leave for say 4 days and go NZ and re-enter? Asking as we are planning the trip to NZ anyways at Christmas time.
3~ We have looked at the defacto visa and want to know if the time you spend in Aus on a vistors visa can be counted as living together? Basically if it can could my daughter and I apply for the one year visitor visa and then apply for defacto. ( or would this have the no further stay preventing us from applying ? or could we just apply offshore?)
4~ the other option we have discussed is staying for say 6 months on the ETA (with the trip to NZ) and then apply for a PMV if we are comfortable with it at that time?

** a few notes... I have been given permission to home school my daughter while we are in Australia and my bf is more than willing to support us while we are there as he does have a great job**

My bf does plan on coming to Canada with me in March to meet my family. Again would this allow us to re enter Aus on an ETA or will we be questioned?

I know this may seem confusing... but we really do want to be together but without the stress or commitment of a PMV at the moment...we also want to be sure we are not doing anything that could get us into trouble.

Surely other couples have faced this delima before....he can not spend an extended period of time here in Canada as he has two young children.

Thank you in advance


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Ok so here is our delima,
My boyfriend lives in QLD and I live in Canada. I have recently come back from Australia from my second time there and we know that we want to be together...however neither of us want to make the commitment of having to get married at this point. We both feel as though it is a huge step to make and with a PMV you ultimately do have to marry. I do not qualify for a work visa basically because I can not get enough points with the new SOL(my skill set is no longer even listed) and I have been trying very hard to get work sponsorship but this is not as easy as it was made out to be. I am planning on returning back to Australia shortly with my daughter so that she can meet my bf and his children ,,,,so here are my questions:
1~ my current visitors visa ( I believe it is an Evisa as I applied online and my understanding is that you can only get an ETA through a travel agent) will expire in January. Can I reapply for one when I apply for my daughters? And to avoid a no further stay do I have to get it from a travel agent?
2~ I understand that with an ETA and Evisa you may only stay in Aus for 3 months... can you actually just leave for say 4 days and go NZ and re-enter? Asking as we are planning the trip to NZ anyways at Christmas time.
3~ We have looked at the defacto visa and want to know if the time you spend in Aus on a vistors visa can be counted as living together? Basically if it can could my daughter and I apply for the one year visitor visa and then apply for defacto. ( or would this have the no further stay preventing us from applying ? or could we just apply offshore?)
4~ the other option we have discussed is staying for say 6 months on the ETA (with the trip to NZ) and then apply for a PMV if we are comfortable with it at that time?

** a few notes... I have been given permission to home school my daughter while we are in Australia and my bf is more than willing to support us while we are there as he does have a great job**

My bf does plan on coming to Canada with me in March to meet my family. Again would this allow us to re enter Aus on an ETA or will we be questioned?

I know this may seem confusing... but we really do want to be together but without the stress or commitment of a PMV at the moment...we also want to be sure we are not doing anything that could get us into trouble.

Surely other couples have faced this delima before....he can not spend an extended period of time here in Canada as he has two young children.

Thank you in advance
Yes, there are a number of threads about re people in similar situations and so a scroll back a few pages will find some recent threads and you'll see use of an ETA is mentioned.
1. There are tourist visas that can be applied for electronically, called the e676 and then there's the eVisa which is reserved for EU passport holders and then the ETA - Visa Options - Tourists - Visitors - Visas & Immigration
An ETA is good for three month stays at a time within a validity period of 12 months and with a Canadian passport you should be able to apply online yourself.
2. Planning to include a trip to NZ would make an ETA more convenient/cheaper.
3. You can include any time together re meeting eligibility for a partner visa but yes a one year tourist visa will most likely have a No Further Stay condition on it but you could fly out say to NZ or Malaysia just at end of the visa and apply for an ETA to re-enter if you had further travel plans, good idea to have something of an itinerary in mind at least.
I say Malaysia because Welcome to AirAsia.com, The World's Best Low-Cost Airline have cheap flights between the Gold Coast and KL and the NZ trips can get tricky for some people or lets say they can be tripped up for to enter NZ you need to have a flight out booked to a country you have a right of return to and so it can get tricky re the timing for existing visa held, the trip and applying for the ETA.
4. You do need to be outside of Australia to apply for the PMV and also to have it granted.
You should be able to several entries on an ETA and it should not be a problem if you have reasonable funds to call on for travelling as that is what an ETA is for.
It'll be OK to advise you have somewhere in Australia to stay as a base to keep travel costs down but I'd not be spelling out that you have a definite intent to seek a partner visa though if you apply for the PMV abroad it should not be a problem to re-enter on an ETA once it is applied for.

You could in fact consider applying for the PMV on your trip back to Canada and then after coming back here, head to Malaysia or NZ for the granting if you did not hang around in Canada long enough for it to be granted.





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Yes, there are a number of threads about re people in similar situations and so a scroll back a few pages will find some recent threads and you'll see use of an ETA is mentioned.
1. There are tourist visas that can be applied for electronically, called the e676 and then there's the eVisa which is reserved for EU passport holders and then the ETA - Visa Options - Tourists - Visitors - Visas & Immigration
An ETA is good for three month stays at a time within a validity period of 12 months and with a Canadian passport you should be able to apply online yourself.
2. Planning to include a trip to NZ would make an ETA more convenient/cheaper.
3. You can include any time together re meeting eligibility for a partner visa but yes a one year tourist visa will most likely have a No Further Stay condition on it but you could fly out say to NZ or Malaysia just at end of the visa and apply for an ETA to re-enter if you had further travel plans, good idea to have something of an itinerary in mind at least.
I say Malaysia because Welcome to AirAsia.com, The World's Best Low-Cost Airline have cheap flights between the Gold Coast and KL and the NZ trips can get tricky for some people or lets say they can be tripped up for to enter NZ you need to have a flight out booked to a country you have a right of return to and so it can get tricky re the timing for existing visa held, the trip and applying for the ETA.
4. You do need to be outside of Australia to apply for the PMV and also to have it granted.
You should be able to several entries on an ETA and it should not be a problem if you have reasonable funds to call on for travelling as that is what an ETA is for.
It'll be OK to advise you have somewhere in Australia to stay as a base to keep travel costs down but I'd not be spelling out that you have a definite intent to seek a partner visa though if you apply for the PMV abroad it should not be a problem to re-enter on an ETA once it is applied for.

You could in fact consider applying for the PMV on your trip back to Canada and then after coming back here, head to Malaysia or NZ for the granting if you did not hanh around in Canada long enough for it to be granted.
Thank you so much for the quick reply. Our biggest worry was that time spent together on a tourist visa together would not count as towards the time needed to apply defacto should we decide not go the PMV route.

One more question. Should I use his address while I am there as I do know it is important to show that we have been living together? I know I am not allowed to work at all while on an ETA but I am under the understanding I can open a bank account or maybe even be added to his?

Thanks again


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Old 08-23-2010, 02:32 AM
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You may find that there'll be some restrictions to you getting added to utility accounts etc. which is a good way to show a connection and though some banks have provision for WHV holders to open accounts, I'm not sure about with tourist visas but if you have a reasonable sum of money to deposit, theymay not be adverse to it.
But do whatever you can to show a connection, joining clubs, local library, registering with a medical clinic, taking out insurance which you ought to do or anything at all that means you'll have his address indicated.
You might even be able to go along to the transport department people and see about an Aussie state drivers licence as the general rule is that you should have one within three months of residing in a state.





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I have one more question... My daughter and I plan on travelling to Oz in September and I know that I have to get an ETA for her. My ETA expires on Jan 31, 2011. Do I have to wait to reapply for mine and do I have to be out of the country when I do? We are trying to get in the one year time to apply for defacto or perhaps even get in 6 months together before applying for the PMV.


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I think when you go to apply for an ETA online, you'll likely get a message saying it is rejected because the online system will just show you already have one and so without contacting Immi to see if it is possible to cancel it, I'd reckon there's a good chance you'll need to wait until the earlier one ceases.
Whether or not the system will allow for two back to back is another matter and yes the ETA is one you need to be outside of Australia to apply for.





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Ok we are here. Landed on Sept 13th on our ETA's and my daughter and I love it it here very much. Because we are on ETA's we need to make a trip out of Aus by Dec 13 and I have been looking at the options and keeping an eye on air fair deals.

There is only one catch now, my boyfriends job with Telstra took a nose dive but has found other work on the prawn trollers but we will not see alot of money from this for a few fornights...this has caused some financially difficulty however. We are still determined to be together but just wondering if there is a way for me to be able to work sooner than if we wait to apply for a defacto visa. Here are my thoughts/issues:

1-can we marry and then apply onshore? If we did this would I be granted a bridging visa sooner to be able to work?

2- If we do continue to try to get in the one year required to apply for the defacto it is going to require the trips out of AUS every 3 months... has anyone actually done this proccess? I really do not want to do something only to have it back fire.

3- I am trying very hard to secure a 457 visa while I am here but finding that work sponsorship is not so easy...any tips or suggestions. I have had heaps of employers tell me that if I had a visa they would hire me on the spot. This is so frustrating. We even considered the possibility of my applying for a student visa so I would have work rights but the international student fees are quite high.

Basically it is boiling down the fact that when I first got here money was not an issue, now that has changed somewhat and I do not want to put alot of effort and time into something that may not even work. We are willing to stick out the 10 months to apply for defacto if we have to as we really do not want to get married just so that I can stay and have work rights. The PMV is an option as well but you do have to apply for that offshore and it seems to us that there is just as much work and evidence collecting for that as for the defacto.

Any help or suggestions will be so greatly appreciated. I do not want this amazing relationship to go belly up for the sake of a few rough months financially.

I am sorry if this post is a bit all over the place but I am trying so hard to think straight and to just figure out the best way for us all to be together.


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Good to hear that you are enjoying Australia and yes you can arrange to get married here in Australia and that can entitle you to apply onshore for a partner visa but it does not mean there will always be a guaranteed solution.
Have a read of the discussion on http://www.australiaforum.com/visas-...-required.html particularly from about post #10 on where I asked Aussie girl about details of the PAM and six months reference.
Though that post was about conflicting advice, to do with a defacto application it seems from Aussiegirl's post re PAM detail that even when a couple are married, in there still needing to be evidence of a relationship, six months is something of a yardstick though lack of it will not alone be cause for rejection.
It is all about showing/proving a marriage is not a marriage of convenience and you both having children should I expect be in your favour.

But given you'll not really have time to get the marriage NOIM in [ a month required for that ] and you will need to get a Canadian police check and health examinations organised, it is probably best for you to at least have one trip out and back on the ETAs which will build your time together to a reasonable length and then you can look at getting your application in.

A bridging visa will only apply when an existing visa expires but some people have posted about seeking a right to work because of financial hardship, so that may be an option once you have a partner visa application in, but you could also still seek employer sponsorship if you have an in demand skill, perhaps a better option than relying on the partner application and seeking work rights.

Most people I have seen post about using an ETA to get extended time have usually done it only the once, perhaps twice and the main thing of doing it multiple times or even once is that you can be questioned re intent and means of support, so you do need to be clear about what your extra visiting is for, something of a planned itinerary being sensible.

With employers and the 457, it may help you to bone up on the details re the employer side to see if helping them to understand it more may get you a better result.

And yes, the PMV has to be applied for offshore and you need to be offshore for it to be granted and still no work rights with that until it is granted.





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