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Old 03-06-2014, 12:00 AM
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High VAC charges leading to more partner visa refusals

This blog post is well worth a read, especially Beatriz's comment. I haven't read Robyn's book yet, but I was in touch with her regularly when she was still going through the visa process herself and I know she is very passionate about the subject.

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That's definitely good reading and very valid points.

I can only thank my lucky stars that I was able to migrate on a 457/186 visa. My original (and seriously lacking in knowledge at that time) intention was to come on a partner visa. At some point I would done more research and figured out that my partner wasn't an eligible NZ citizen and would have found the 461 option. But knowing now what I didn't know then, I don't know how I'd have possibly managed to put together enough evidence since we lived on opposite sides of the planet. Would I have hired an agent? Probably not due to the high cost of the visa and I'd have thought I could manage it myself somehow. Would I have succeeded? Probably not.

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I understand that people try and save on professional costs., but DIBP charges more for visa application than the average agent. If you add all the other costs (medicals, documentation,translations etc.) it is a huge amount of money you stand to lose if things don't work out.

I could do my own tax, but I prefer to pay a professional, as it saves me money in the long run. Maybe I could do my own dentistry ( Mr. Bean made it look easy), but I prefer to pay an Australian dentist, rather than getting a cheap job done overseas with the potential of complications. It's all a matter of choice.

I suppose it all depends on people's individual circumstances, but immigration is a major life changing event, so people should consider carefully if they are equipped to do their own applications or not and weigh up the costs involved and the cost of a refusal and having to appeal or re-apply.

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people should consider carefully if they are equipped to do their own applications or not and weigh up the costs involved and the cost of a refusal and having to appeal or re-apply.
And this is exactly why I chose to pay the extra for assistance with my application. Based on other recent posts on the forum,had I done it alone and applied when I thought we were eligible,we would most likely have been rejected and had to pay for another application. Obviously I am still waiting for an outcome but our chances with the application we made are above and beyond what they would have been had I done it by myself

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I agree that for some people a registered agent is the way to go, however I wonder how many applications are refused as the evidence just doesn't stack up.
Regular members see posters who talk of how they have "known their partner" for a whole 3 months and despite sharing no financal accounts or property leases belive they are in a defacto relationship.
How many people choose the wrong visa?
I am sure that the PMV would be more suitable in a lot of cases, at least you have 9 months after it is granted before you have to commit to anything!

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We chose not to engage a migration agent to put together our entire application, however we have paid for a few consultations (at anywhere from $100-200 a pop) and I think that should really be the bare minimum for any applicant. If my partner was from a high risk country, then we would have engaged a professional from go to whoa without a doubt.

I do agree with Steve above as well in that I believe that a lot of rejections probably stem from the applicant simply not selecting the right visa. I think just having one initial consultation with an agent would prevent many applications from being denied, simply because they're not submitted in the first place.

Of course, on the other hand there is the issue of still educating yourself on your options and the visa requirements and not simply hiring an agent and blindly trusting them with your application. As we have seen on this forum, many agents have seemingly given very wrong advice and there has been a lot of heartache as a result of not verifying the information they give. In just the same way that anyone receiving a life changing diagnosis from their doctor should seek a second opinion, someone looking at a complicated visa process should seek a second opinion on their visa options before making the decision. It's entirely the responsibility of the applicant to ensure they make the right choices and empower themselves with information, because humans - even professionals - are not infallible.

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From many of the posts I've seen on this and another forum, it also seems like many posters blindly take the guidance given by other posters (who could be completely misinformed or basing their guidance on old information).

I must admit I have developed a significant pet peeve about the threads that start "I work in xxx profession and want to apply for a visa. Can someone please let me know what I need to do." IMHO, no one should really be asking questions before they've done a LOT of their own research to get a reasonably good understanding of what's involved, what they need to do, etc. so they can ask more specific and knowledgeable questions. Sometimes it seems like they simply Googled "Visa Australia" and if this forum was the first match then this is where they started.

Heck if I was using an agent, I'd still be reading up on a lot of this stuff so I could make sure I knew what they needed and why.

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I must say that my fiance and I did not think twice about using a migration agent for our application. Our main reasons were 1/ had only been together for a short time (6 months at time of lodgement) and 2/ there were alot of rejections from Cairo.

I know people say ... oh it is expensive but my opinion is just put it on credit card and pay it back. In the long term it is better than being rejected.


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I have to say that I agree with the article in what it is saying, and that is that visa costs have reached such a high point that some people are simply unable to stretch the budget to include a professional migration agent.

To hire a migration agent, it costs a significant amount of money and not everyone has access to the resources needed to pay the cost. I absolutely have no problem with the cost of migration agents and think that what they charge is fair given the time involved, and the length of time they must dedicate to an application - not just putting it together but the continued service until the visa grant. It's well within the parameters of what professionals charge for their expertise and I don't begrudge it. It does make me sad though to think that love has a cost, or a price. Poor people, or those lacking in resources deserve to also be with the ones they love.

I don't know what the solution is, cheaper VAC will just make it easier to submit a fraudulent application, but the current expense involved does seem somewhat discriminatory, especially towards those from less affluent nations.

Maybe DIBP should be held more accountable for the advice they give out? The sheer amount of incorrect advice given is insane and quite a sorry state of affairs when there are no repercussions for them. If someone has the forethought and the desire to empower themselves with information, then they should be able to rely on the information that comes directly from the source.

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I must say that my fiance and I did not think twice about using a migration agent for our application. Our main reasons were 1/ had only been together for a short time (6 months at time of lodgement) and 2/ there were alot of rejections from Cairo.

I know people say ... oh it is expensive but my opinion is just put it on credit card and pay it back. In the long term it is better than being rejected.
In the scheme of things, it's not really that expensive, but it certainly adds to the overall cost. However, unless you really know what you're doing, it can be risky and expensive to do it on your own. I'm not just referring to partner visas here. Skilled and employer sponsored visas can be quite technical.

I was contacted by a couple a while ago whose RSMS visa application was refused, because they used the wrong form. They were nominated for RSMS (the old 857 visa) and then applied for ENS ( the old 856 visa) without realising it. After waiting nearly a year, their visas were refused, they lost the VAC and in the meantime the rules had changed and the VACs had significantly increased. There are plenty of stories like that. This could have been avoided by a simple consultation.

Anyway, whatever you do, don't take the process lightly. You will not get professional advice from DIBP, the rules are complex and change quite often and the system is very inflexible if you don't get it right.

Migration is likely to be one of the most significant events in your life and a refusal could completely change your future.

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