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Old 03-13-2014, 07:16 AM
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I think that's a very good idea, Eleanor. As stated above, it's never a good idea to presume that we know what centrelink will determine regarding your relationship.

As I stated above, the main issue you will have is when you apply for the partner visa, because you can't on one hand tell centrelink (a government agency) that she is just a friend that you send money too and then tell DIBP (another government agency) that you are in a committed and exclusive and ongoing relationship. Those two scenarios are mutually exclusive and it's one or the other. You will get bitten by one (or even both) of the government departments.

As stated above by DragonBug, you need to advise them of the relationship and let them make the determination of the extent of your relationship so that if a mistake is made, it's on their end and not yours. Keep in mind that being married or having your fiancée come and stay with you will change your status to partnered and that is when you will be able to apply for the section 24. Keep it real and honest and it will all work out

Also, keep the appointment with the Welfare Rights service because they can work with centrelink on your behalf and make sure they are being fair in their assessment of your situation and make sure things happen in a timely manner.

Also, in respect to your concern that they will think you owe them money because you have been in a relationship for 3 years. 1). I doubt that will happen. You are allowed to date and maintain a courtship while on single benefits. Also, with the fact that she lives overseas and you haven't even seen her in such a long time, it's unlikely they will determine that you had a married-like relationship during that time (which is also a concern you may have with DIBP).

2). Even if they do determine a 3 year relationship, you will likely to have been eligible for section 24 during that time period anyway, which will mean you don't actually have a debt. You may get a slap on the wrist, but I seriously doubt it. It's pretty obvious that not having even seen her since June last year, that you are not living in a married-like relationship.

I'm sure you will be fine They will be happy that you came forward with the information and they didn't have to find it out through an investigation, which is not a good thing I imagine.

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I think that's a very good idea, Eleanor. As stated above, it's never a good idea to presume that we know what centrelink will determine regarding your relationship.

As I stated above, the main issue you will have is when you apply for the partner visa, because you can't on one hand tell centrelink (a government agency) that she is just a friend that you send money too and then tell DIBP (another government agency) that you are in a committed and exclusive and ongoing relationship. Those two scenarios are mutually exclusive and it's one or the other. You will get bitten by one (or even both) of the government departments.

As stated above by DragonBug, you need to advise them of the relationship and let them make the determination of the extent of your relationship so that if a mistake is made, it's on their end and not yours. Keep in mind that being married or having your fiancée come and stay with you will change your status to partnered and that is when you will be able to apply for the section 24. Keep it real and honest and it will all work out

Also, keep the appointment with the Welfare Rights service because they can work with centrelink on your behalf and make sure they are being fair in their assessment of your situation and make sure things happen in a timely manner.

Also, in respect to your concern that they will think you owe them money because you have been in a relationship for 3 years. 1). I doubt that will happen. You are allowed to date and maintain a courtship while on single benefits. Also, with the fact that she lives overseas and you haven't even seen her in such a long time, it's unlikely they will determine that you had a married-like relationship during that time (which is also a concern you may have with DIBP).

2). Even if they do determine a 3 year relationship, you will likely to have been eligible for section 24 during that time period anyway, which will mean you don't actually have a debt. You may get a slap on the wrist, but I seriously doubt it. It's pretty obvious that not having even seen her since June last year, that you are not living in a married-like relationship.

I'm sure you will be fine They will be happy that you came forward with the information and they didn't have to find it out through an investigation, which is not a good thing I imagine.

Yes its all coming together now thanks, I have all ways be honest all my life believe it or not, but with c/l they are such a worry, There is one other thing though, and i dont want to argue over this like before lol, But it is strange that c/l may say im in a relation ship because it suits them, But immi could say im not because we have not lived together for 12 months, to me that part is not fair, If one says i am then the other should say i am. but they make the rules .


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Yes its all coming together now thanks, I have all ways be honest all my life believe it or not, but with c/l they are such a worry, There is one other thing though, and i dont want to argue over this like before lol, But it is strange that c/l may say im in a relation ship because it suits them, But immi could say im not because we have not lived together for 12 months, to me that part is not fair, If one says i am then the other should say i am. but they make the rules .
Well, yes. I absolutely agree that it's an unfair discrepancy in their definition.

Since this is a can of worms that is usually best kept under wraps, I will not be saying anything else on the matter, lol. Discussions like this never end well and I generally prefer to keep my political opinions close to my chest (except on Facebook, lol).

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Yep, the fact that different government departments have different definitions of 'defacto' sucks but just think of the positive - declaring your relationship to a government body will look great on a future PMV/Partner Visa application :-)


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Yep, the fact that different government departments have different definitions of 'defacto' sucks but just think of the positive - declaring your relationship to a government body will look great on a future PMV/Partner Visa application :-)
yes it will, I feel a lot better now about every thing, thanks.

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Yep, the fact that different government departments have different definitions of 'defacto' sucks but just think of the positive - declaring your relationship to a government body will look great on a future PMV/Partner Visa application :-)
Just an add on to this for anyone interested. The new "profile" feature they have on the centrelink online website lists all those details - relationship status, your spouses CRN, whether they have your permission to contact centrelink on your behalf etc. It's a great little resource to use for partner applications.

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Just an add on to this for anyone interested. The new "profile" feature they have on the centrelink online website lists all those details - relationship status, your spouses CRN, whether they have your permission to contact centrelink on your behalf etc. It's a great little resource to use for partner applications.
just a quick up date,i wrang c/l this morning and laid all my cards on the table, There is no way they consider me in a defacto relation ship, thanks every one. Its funny how things worry you like this did me, and in the end there was nothing to worry about .

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