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Old 10-01-2010, 05:06 PM
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Hi Sirs,

First of all Iíve to say that Iím not British (even if I visited a lot of places in UK), but this is an excellent forum and I hope that someone will help me.
Iím Italian and from here there isnít so many people migration to AU.
I`m a Civil Engineer and I`ve six years of experience.
My girlfriend will take a master degree in November as social worker.
We will be in Melbourne on February, 1 Ė 2011 (I`ve already bought our flying tickets) on a Working Holyday Visa.

At the moment we`re studying to take IELTS and we`re planning to dedicate the first period in Melbourne to improve our language skills, probably in an English school (I hope to take IELTS before April/May 2011). Meanwhile we will search for a local job (not connected with our degree but only to collect some money to live there)
I explain to you which are our projects (in order):
1) I'm studying to take IELTS
2) I'll start quickly with the EA Assessment
3) Once done everything, I'll start with the VISA 175 Process (consider that we have to demonstrate DE FACTO status, so I think that the lodgment could be on November/December 2010).

The best prospective is to find a VISA 457 sponsorship before the end of 2011. I don't know if I'll find a sponsor according to my English language skills (I'm not so good but Iím working on it).
In the bad case, we have to find a way to let us remain in Au. Or with 3 months of rural work, or applying for the VISA 175 without DE FACTO relationship (in this way my girlfriend can take a rural work, I've all requirements for the VISA 175, the time for the approval is more short).

The problem is that weíll start to live together on 1 February and so we have to wait 1 year before VISA 175 lodgment.

Do you know if is it possibile to add a secondary applicant (my girlfriend as a de facto) later than the first submission?
With a VISA 457 arenít there time limits to demonstrate DE FACTO status?

TY Very much,
Luca


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Old 10-02-2010, 01:49 AM
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Hi Sirs,

First of all Iíve to say that Iím not British (even if I visited a lot of places in UK), but this is an excellent forum and I hope that someone will help me.
Iím Italian and from here there isnít so many people migration to AU.
I`m a Civil Engineer and I`ve six years of experience.
My girlfriend will take a master degree in November as social worker.
We will be in Melbourne on February, 1 Ė 2011 (I`ve already bought our flying tickets) on a Working Holyday Visa.

At the moment we`re studying to take IELTS and we`re planning to dedicate the first period in Melbourne to improve our language skills, probably in an English school (I hope to take IELTS before April/May 2011). Meanwhile we will search for a local job (not connected with our degree but only to collect some money to live there)
I explain to you which are our projects (in order):
1) I'm studying to take IELTS
2) I'll start quickly with the EA Assessment
3) Once done everything, I'll start with the VISA 175 Process (consider that we have to demonstrate DE FACTO status, so I think that the lodgment could be on November/December 2010).

The best prospective is to find a VISA 457 sponsorship before the end of 2011. I don't know if I'll find a sponsor according to my English language skills (I'm not so good but Iím working on it).
In the bad case, we have to find a way to let us remain in Au. Or with 3 months of rural work, or applying for the VISA 175 without DE FACTO relationship (in this way my girlfriend can take a rural work, I've all requirements for the VISA 175, the time for the approval is more short).

The problem is that weíll start to live together on 1 February and so we have to wait 1 year before VISA 175 lodgment.

Do you know if is it possibile to add a secondary applicant (my girlfriend as a de facto) later than the first submission?
With a VISA 457 arenít there time limits to demonstrate DE FACTO status?

TY Very much,
Luca
I think a particular level of english is required for student visas so if that is why you are currently studying for the IELTS that's fine but being on a WHV it is not required and one of the best ways to get your english language ability improved will be to get out working.
Your written english is already very good and though hearing is always a problem because of local pronounciations/accents, practice is what will improve that and confidence for conversation.
Our vowell pronounciations are very flat and different to how Europeans pronounce vowells so if you have listened to any Australian speakers you may have picked that up.
Radio Australia:Ways to Listen may help you and I see they even have a section on english languages, the ABC being Australia's government funded national media service.

Never be backward in asking someone to repeat a bit slower for you and as soon as they recognise an accent they will understand for Australians do speak english at a rate of knots, a bit like Italians or the Swiss with their Schweize duetz and then even when they speak German.

You will find that it is more probable than not for there to be english classes run part-time outside of working hours and rather than look up a specific english school that could be run by someone as more of a business, have a look at TAFE and other community colleges.
Even Immi have arrangements and though through a WHV or your Gf in study you are not eligible for free AMEP there is a link to other programs - http://www.immi.gov.au/living-in-aus...ligibility.htm and the Living in Australia section of Immi has a wealth of information that will be useful to you.
The other source you should follow up on is to see if there is a cultural association between your country and Australia, and say for instance you are from Italy, though the IAI seems to focus on Italian studies, I imagine for an Italian there would also be plenty of advice available for Australia - The Italian Australian Institute
Though your projects or plan as we would say in english seems reasonable, re #3:
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3) Once done everything, I'll start with the VISA 175 Process (consider that we have to demonstrate DE FACTO status, so I think that the lodgment could be on November/December 2010).
I think you may have meant lodgement could be by Nov./Dec. 2011 seeing as you are not arriving until Feb. 2011.
With the Defacto requirement, I assume you are looking at applying for a visa with your Gf as a defacto and as for Permanent Residency [ PR ] visas there is likely the defacto 12 months relationship requirement, if you are not already living together, by doing so from now before you leave for Australia that would enable you to meet the requirement by Nov./Dec. but if you have to wait until you arrive in Australia you would need to get 12 months from Feb. and so that would mean applying in Feb. 2012.

There are a couple of more things you also ought to be aware of and that's a 175 independent skilled visa processing can take quite a while, perhaps a two year wait before granting and as well as there being no bridging visa offered. because it is an offshore visa, though you can apply for it while in Australia, you do need to leave Australia when it is ready to be granted.
You may want to have a look at also getting state sponsorship and via the State Migration Plans which should be established by the time you are ready to apply, then applying for a 176 SMP visa your application will have higher priority and be processed quicker.

The 457 visa is a good option for you, either as an interim measure or it can also lead to PR as you may have seen and you can stay in Australia on a 457 while a 175/176 is processed or if an employer offfers to go from a 457 sponsorship to PR sponsorship, as long as you pick the offshore application, it will be fee free as the fee you have already paid for the 175/176 will substitute.

So once you have your qualifications assessed by the IEA, it is possible that you may find employment and once your Gf is nearing completion of her masters, you may want to consider the possibilities of seeking employment in regional areas or if beforehand your Gf has also had her original qualifications assessed, it may be possible that she may even find an employment offer and it only needs one to have a 457 visa for the other the to be the secondary applicant.
But depending on the nature of your experience, if it has been associated with local authority work or even if not, our local authorities or councils as they are called are big employers of both civil engineers and social workers.

If you have not got a 457 visa, yes, you can do your three months seasonal work to get a second WHV and perhaps you may want to plan ahead a little and if February is when you plan on both coming here, I would think of yourself at least coming earlier to get your three months regional work done as there is more availability of that here in late spring and summer rather than leaving it to later summer and into autumn and winter.
A big mistake many people make is leaving it too late, and so even if it means you leave your employment earlier and get your ticket changed, by coming earlier, even alone you could have done your three months work before your Gf arrives and by working with other people and socialising you will probably find your english will be very good too.
The WHV has a link to the harvest trail which shows locations/times for seasonal work.
On a 457 visa, yes there is a less stringent testing for the relationship requirement.
And yes, if you have a visa application submitted, you can add a secondary applicant while it is being processed but once a visa is granted there is a separate visa application required.
If you are successful with a 457 visa while your Gf is on a student visa doing the masters, you can still include her but it may be better to wait until she has finished her study for the one problem some people experience with a 457 is that it is reliant on maintaining a sponsor for the visa to remain valid and so a good reason for you also to have the second WHV and then be in no rush to get a 457 for if you get onto a 457 before having qualified to apply for a second WHV and then your sponsorship ceases, you cannot go back to the WHV to work and qualify for a second WHV.
You definitely would not want to disrupt your Gf's study by her having also transferred to a 457 that went kaput!





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Old 10-02-2010, 08:36 AM
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great Wanderer!
you gave me a lot of useful informations!
I've contacted a migration agent to start to demonstrate my de facto status from Italy (I don't know what can I do, open an account together with my Gf, photos etc.).
I think that I can spend only 1 year on a WHV. I've 6 years of experience as civil engineer and being 2 years without a work could be very negative for my cv. Only 1 year could be considered by employers/recruiters as a "gap year", an experience of life. But 2 are too much. I saw that there is also a requirement for the VISA 175 demonstrating to have 3 years of continuously work in the past 4 years.
So, in this way, I hope to find a sponsorship in the 2011. At the moment I'm hardly working on English and CDR for the IEA accreditation.
My girlfriend is going to take Bachelor Degree on December but I think that it is impossible to asses their degree cause her language skills (She has to take 7 in each IELTS test).
I can also consider a state sponsorship to accelerate the process, but once granted I'll be obliged to remain in that state for 2 years. I think that this could be a limit to my profession, I don't know exactly in which state I'll work (I hope in Melbourne).
So if at the end of 2011 I will not find a sponsor, I'll return in Italy waiting for the visa 175 approval.
Do you know what is requested to demonstrate a de facto status on a 457 visa?


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For defacto evidence have a look at the sticky thread by elkitten near the top of this section for ideas and using an agent for that is really only going to cost you money you do not need to spend.
I am only suggesting that you do three months seasonal work earlier than later so at least you have a back up plan as it may be possible once you have IEA assessment
[ that you can start your application for now ] that you could find a permanent engineering job very soon and you may then be in a position where you have to decide about employer sponsorship for the WHV only allows working with an employer for 12 months but you may also find that you can pick up some contract work for a term of up to six months and so then towards the end of your first 12 months you could be in a position for wanting an extra 12 months but if it is too late for doing seasonal work to qualify, it will sadly be too bad! and as you say you would have to return to Italy, but with a little planning that may not be necessary, eg.
. on WHV, with IEA assessment already done
do three months seasonal work and then perhaps some engineering contract work for a few months.
. maybe you find an employer for some more permanent work and could work for six months
. apply for the second WHV and you could work for the same employer for another six months if wanting more time to decide on employer sponsorship or if your 175/176 visa was applied for early, perhaps it becomes ready before the second WHV finishes and then instead of returning all the way to Italy you only need to take a trip over to New Zealand.
For the 457 partner requirements are less than for a PR partner and that is somewhat indicated by it being possible to do online.
You can check out the link from Employer Sponsored Workers (e457) - Online Applications





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Thank you again...
what do you think being the best seasonal work?

I checked on internet without success.
Considering that we`ll arrive on February, we need to find a seasonal work to do together...what do you think about pearl picking?


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Old 10-03-2010, 01:11 AM
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February is not the ideal time as being height of summer, a lot of the fruiting season is drawing to a close but you could try Tasmania.
Harvest Trail - Harvest jobs - Australian JobSearch is your best guide and if you have not done this type of work before, starting in February will be very arduous work.
Pearling is in Broome and Darwin areas, a long way from Melbourne and the seaon does not really start until late April.





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No problem for the period because We`re planning to spent the first 3 months in Melbourne to take IELTS. So, in this way, we can work in may, june and july.

IS there a specific site for the pearling or other seasonal works?


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Seasonal work does vary for we have temperate weather similar to Italy in the south but very tropical weather in northern Oz. so check the link above and with your Gf doing her masters, how will she be able to trip about working?
I would also be looking to get your qualifications assessed ASAP so you can look for engineering work.





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Yes, I hope ASAP take IELTS and be accreditted through EAu.
My Gf is going to take is bachlor degree (not master, sorry, there was a mistake in the first post).

I think that we`ll able to work on May, June...I`ve to check for something that we can do together...


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Old 10-22-2010, 08:55 AM
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Hi friend,

just another question.
I'm going to live with my girlfriend in november.

For this first period (november/december 2010) I can only demostrate our DE FACTO status with:

1) A Joint bank account
2) A statement declaration of the apartment owner about our living together

In january we're going to live with our families to prepare our moving to AU.
Starting February 2011, when we'll move to Mel, we can easily demostrate our DE FACTO status.

What do you think about it?

This is the quickly way to apply for VISA 175 before the ending of 2011.

Thank you a lot.
Luca


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