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Old 03-26-2014, 04:47 AM
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Yup, the new Form 80 is officially a nightmare. Travel and Address history for 30 years, and all unemployment and employment since BIRTH - ie, you need to have a complete timeline from your date of birth showing for all time periods that you were either unemployed, or employed in a job (and provide complete details including name/address/etc of your employer). Old Form 80s are no longer valid for applications lodged after 22 March 2014. There were many form changes on 22 March - best to check with immi.gov.au to see the oldest date form that is acceptable still.

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In your professional opinion Mark, why did they change the form? It seems like a whole lot of unnecessary details, especially the employment question. Why does the department need to know your employment history?

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Hi Danegirl -

I have no idea. It's an outrageous requirement by any standard and borders on what people have to provide if they are applying for a top secret security clearance. Who on earth can provide with 100% accuracy complete details about every paid job they've ever worked (including internships, etc) - especially during high school, etc? I can see it now:

Employer: Neighbourhood Lemonade Stand when I was 8 years old
Duties: Make lemonade, look cute, collect money
Salary: $1 a glass

I can only assume this is typical knee-jerk reaction to the refugee influx and any concerns about terrorists, etc but they've clearly decided to inflict this treatment on everyone by default, instead of only asking those who they are concerned about - I suppose that's politically correct!

Clearly they are not checking with every employer, so I guess the information is there if they "want" to check, etc. Problem is, there are no exceptions in the law for "I didn't know" or "I guessed" when it comes to providing information to DIBP.

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Thanks Mark - it's interesting to hear the view of someone who deals with this stuff every day. I do admit to nearly choking on my afternoon coffee when reading the job description for the lemonade stand!

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Problem is, there are no exceptions in the law for "I didn't know" or "I guessed" when it comes to providing information to DIBP.
Surely there would have to be an exception (unofficial or otherwise) for the travel history question? Surely a European Union citizen can't be expected to remember specific dates and details of travel with their open borders where passports aren't even required. Even for non-EU citizens, once you are in the EU there is virtually no record. For example, I went to Rome once from Denmark and my passport wasn't checked once at either airport. If that happened 25 years ago for a 2 day trip, good luck in remembering that.

Also in situations like my partner's where the 30 year travel history covers his entire life, including the period where he travelled on his parents' passports when he was 0-5yrs of age - surely there is some exemption where there may be no record of where he went?

Edit: this is all hypothetical questioning so just looking for general answers - we have already submitted our Form 80.

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I'm so glad we have already submitted our application and form 80. Those new requirements are obscenely ridiculous and in some cases will be literally impossible to fulfil!!!

What next? DNA samples to prove our family is who we say they are?

This is really ridiculous!

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They have to justify the $3000 somehow................................


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They have to justify the $3000 somehow................................
$3000??? the onshore partner visa with medicals is pretty much $5000 now....oh and up to 15 month processing time!!

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Yup, the new Form 80 is officially a nightmare. Travel and Address history for 30 years, and all unemployment and employment since BIRTH - ie, you need to have a complete timeline from your date of birth showing for all time periods that you were either unemployed, or employed in a job (and provide complete details including name/address/etc of your employer). Old Form 80s are no longer valid for applications lodged after 22 March 2014. There were many form changes on 22 March - best to check with immi.gov.au to see the oldest date form that is acceptable still.

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Oh god, that means mines ok to use the old form I've already almost finished cause we lodged on the 1st? I've been worrying all day about this. My hubby is not good at record keeping and it's been real hard just to get 10 years worth done!

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We actually tried to get my husband's records from US border protection for his trips across US borders as he's had many, many, many of these and they aren't stamped as they just show their US passport card for land crossings. When you live on a border and have family on both sides.... Well, it's been a nightmare to figure out. But anyway I couldn't even get records for his dates, they said they don't provide them. So unless you've kept records it's actually impossible.

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What visa subclasses is the form 80 required for?? Wonder if this is another "let's put people off applying" strategy...obviously the insane price hikes haven't
Put people off as they are now saying they are so behind on applications...low risk ones are taking up to 15 months!!! Can't believe it was ever as straightforward as booking an appointment with a case officer and getting on the spot approval :-( having one of those days where the whole process is just slowly breaking me...not hearing anything about my BVB when I'm meant to be going home in 3 weeks isn't helping matters either

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