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Old 03-27-2014, 07:07 AM
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189 Visa; Skills Assesement.

I am new to this site so apologies if this has been asked before! I am in the process of applying for my Skills Assesement as part of my application for a Subclass 189 VISA. I am currently on a 457 Sponsorship VISA.

Although my Qualification and Degree is in 'Quantity Surveying', and most of the work I am doing in my current role is that of a Quantity Surveyor, my official title over my last 3 years of employment in Australia has been "Construction Estimator". Both roles are very similar.

Should I therefore be obtaining my Skills Assesement as a "Quantity Surveyor" (Which I am qualified to do) or "Construction Estimator"? Or does it really matter which one I go for? I just don't want anything to hinder my application. Hopefully there is someone here who has experienced a similar situation who might be able to advise me?

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Hi Brian -

Although I would be hard pressed to tell the difference between a construction estimator and a quantity surveyor (sounds like my wife when she's telling me I'm eating too much for dinner!), I would have a careful look at the ANZSCO duties/tasks for both and see how your work experience lines up with that. Also, a quantity surveyor is skills assessed by AIQS, where a construction estimator is assessed by VETASSESS - if you feel you qualify equally as either, you might look at the requirements of each skills assessment org to see which one you're a better fit for. Finally, if all of this results in a perfectly equal match to both occupations, I'd probably lean towards the one you have already had a visa issued under.

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Thanks for that Mark. I am currently sponsored as a Construction Estimator but this doesn't seem to be on the Skilled Occupations List? I thought it was but I can't seem to see it on there now. Although I am now sponsored as an Estimator, would the 189 visa not be a brand new visa and therefore not a continuation of my current visa, meaning that it does not matter that much what I was sponsored under for my 457 visa?


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Hi Coyler -

Construction Estimator is on the Consolidated Sponsored Occupations List (CSOL) which means that occupation is not eligible for the 189 visa, but would be eligible for the 190 or 489 state sponsored visas.

Although it's a new visa, if you are claiming points closely related to your nominated occupation, that will be easier to prove if the occupation matches your 457 occupation - also, as a 457 holder you have an obligation to notify DIBP if your work changes to a different occupation code during the life of the 457 visa. If no notification was made yet you claim the work experience under a different occupation, that could create issues.

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Thanks for that Mark. I am currently sponsored as a Construction Estimator but this doesn't seem to be on the Skilled Occupations List? I thought it was but I can't seem to see it on there now. Although I am now sponsored as an Estimator, would the 189 visa not be a brand new visa and therefore not a continuation of my current visa, meaning that it does not matter that much what I was sponsored under for my 457 visa?

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Mark,

Hope all is good. I too am new to this forum so any assistance would be much appreciated.

I have received my skills assessment from AIQS and my degree qualification as a QS has been recognised. I submitted a CV covering my work experience since 2006 to AIQS as part of my skills assessment application. I have worked for approx 6 companies since qualifying and remain in employment here in Australia. AIQS have only included my initial work experience as 'Recognised Skilled Employment'. Can I claim the additional work experience in my EOI? I have references from all previous employers which detail my role as a QS within the companies however I did not submit this to AIQS as I was not aware they had to assess previous work experience. The AIQS application form basically indicated that you had to prove a minimum of 2 years experience thus my reasoning behind only submitting one reference. Basically I'm concerned that if I include all my work experience over the past number of years in the EOI it will not relate to the Skills Assessment letter.

Thanks for your time.

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Hi Brian -

Great questions. Also for those reading along who might wonder, a QS is a Quantity Surveyor. What's a quantity surveyor? Essentially (from my understanding) someone who estimates and monitors the costs and expenses involved with a construction project.

Now to Brian's questions - Brian, suggest you contact AIQS and ask them directly whether they can or will assess work experience in addition to the 2-year requirement for your pathway with them. Their answer to that will determine your next move. If they do assess that additional experience, I'd apply to have them do that to be on the safe side. If they do not, and if you are confident that it qualifies as skilled work in your occupation, then you may want to claim it on the EOI. If an issue develops later - ie, DIBP isn't convinced it's skilled and AIQS won't assess it, then it will be up to you to demonstrate how the tasks/duties at that work align well with the ANZSCO tasks for a QS.

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Mark,

Many thanks for the reply, great feedback.

I have been in touch with AIQS this morning and they have advised that they can assess my additional experience provided I submit additional support documents (references) and pay the associated fee. However, I note on the AIQS Skilled Migration Assessment Policy that they specify a supervisor who signs off on my references must be a QS or from another AIQS recognised professional body (item 7.2 of AIQS Skilled Migration Assessment Policy). The problem here is that I have references but a variety of construction professionals have provided these references ie engineer (who is company director), construction manager (who is company director) and one reference from a company director who has no qualification he simply has built up a construction company.

I am considering not requesting the reassessment as I currently have 70 points without claiming points for experience. If all my experience was approved there would be an additional 10pts up for grabs. If I don't claim this I am assuming I simply fill out the experience section of my EOI and mark 'no' to relevance so as not to claim points? Seems crazy as it is all completely relevant but I do not want to provide information if it is not 100% in line with the various professional bodies guidelines plus I am getting to the stage where I just want to get my submission in.

Thanks again for your time and assistance.

Brian.


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Hi Brian -

If AIQS won't assess the experience, I would not claim it for points - as you have 70 points without the experience, you're probably in good shape for a visa anyway. Given your field is highly technical, the case officer would refer to AIQS if they had any question about whether the work is suitable or not.

The only issue you might run into is if you are going for a state sponsored sc190 visa where the state has minimum work experience requirements, however in many cases as long as the work is post-qualification and appears to be highly relevant to your occupation, the state sponsorship people will not demand that the work be assessed by the skills authority.

Hope this helps -

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Mark,

Thanks for your expert advice, very much appreciated. I am applying for a 189 visa so hopefully the points I have should suffice.

Brian


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