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Old 11-26-2010, 10:30 AM
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Hi from Greece need some advise

Hi everyone,
I`m a holder of an Australian passport and have been living here in Greece since 1993. I first arrived in Aus in 1978 with my parents, arriving in Darwin, moving to woollongong NSW, later to tassy, and last lived in Mansfield Brisbane. All of these years I worked mainly in restaurants and take-aways. I returned to Greece in 1993 and since today I`ve been working mainly in the constructioin industry. I`m married since 1995 (to a local) and have two children age 4 and 11.
In the past year Greece is going through a economic crisis, and the situation is not looking good. Acording to all economists the situation will not change for at least 5 years. Shops are clossing every day, companies are moving to Bulgaria and the eastern European countries, the unemployment is raising, and tourism (our main money import) is redused.
All of the above has made me to think seriously about returning to Australia.
I have done a bit of homework and found out that the PREVISIONAL 309 VISA is the more appopriate for me and my family.
My sister who is married in Brisbane and has been there since 1992, thinks that I should make this move.
My main concern is if all of this is worth the while, in the 1990`s there was a lot of work around. Here in Greece the daily pay for a normal worker is 70 AUS dollars, and with the crisis you will be lucky to work 3 days a week.

I would like some advise before I make this move to Australia, maybe a holiday trip for 1 month will be better than bringing in the entire family?

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Hello Manoli. I am Greek too and I applied for a Prospective Marriage visa a few weeks ago. You are right, things in Greece are not looking good. My family owns a small business and everyday I can see it sink even deeper. If you want my advice take your family and leave while there is still time. Things in Greece will only get worse. And to be perfectly honest with you our current economical situation worries me a lot. I know my application is complete and my relationship with my fiance is legit. But what if they take in account the political/ economical situation of the applicants country?? Then I'm afraid I am in deep trouble like most Europeans that apply for Australia.
Do all the research you can, have your sister visit the Immigration office in Brisbane for anything they can add, take your family and RUN!!!

By the way, Brisbane is great... That's where I'll be moving if God hears my prayers and the good people in the Australian Embassy grand me the visa.


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Take your family and run ? Wow, have things become that bad in Greece? Maybe the pay in Greece is low, but what about the cost of living? Perhaps food and rent and goods are proportionately cheaper too?

One thing to keep in mind, finding a good job here in Queensland is also not so easy. You will need to have enough money with you to finance a possible unemployment phase of several months. As you already have family here in Brisbane, it will make things a lot easier, otherwise, with the extremely high rental and cost of living expenses, you would find yourself overwhelmed and regretting your decision to come.

Australia is also no longer such a land of plenty....

Wish you all the best.


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Australia may no longer be the land of plenty but at least it still has opportunities and it treats people, locals or migrants fairly. At least thats what I want to believe...


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Hi Luthien,

Hopefully, you will enjoy your new life in Australia. Stay positive and realistic, then you will not be dissappointed.

Good luck with everything


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I think there is some merit in deciding to check out what the living/working situation might be for you in Australia for though Australia has probably had it easier for some compared to a few countries in respect to the GFC, I'm not at all sure it is over yet when you look at what has been going on in Europe and in the US they seem to have the idea now that you can just print more money, so not a good omen.

Meanwhile in Australia you have had governments at all levels going into enormous debt, kind of following the Stimulus philosopy of spen now and hope the economy picks up so all the borrowings can be paid that, or to put it into other words " lets party some more on the credit card " and the future taxpayers can pay for it somehow while government charges and services fees just continue to rise.
In effect we are just striving to catch up with the US and Western Europe to have the same problems.





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I have been researching the option of leaving Greece long before this mess, about 3 years ago and my primary destination was USA. I have relatives there who could potentially help me get adjusted and settle. Australia became an option in the summer of 09 when i met my fiance.
During the summer before applying for a visa I visited Australia to get a first hand account on how things are there. I talked with many people and we did one hell of a research before deciding that we can actually do this. Having feelings for someone is something that will eventually fade if you end up living in that someones expense.
The period I was there was during the elections. And many people told me the same thing like you said... That the problems Europe and USA face will eventually reach Australia too. The concept of "lets party some more on the credit card" as you put it will come back and bite us in the end. Lets just hope that the administration Australia will be having at that point will have the brains to get through it with the least possible losses...


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Thank you guys for your say,
I think if we put everything down and try to find the best solution for me it could take months. My concern is mainly my 2 children which are in the same age when I first visited Australia in 1978. Back then my father & mother did not know a word in English, and she had to take us to school (by-hand walking ) from warrawong to port kembla primary. It is hard when kids are 16 and over to pick up a language.
Here in Greece the educational system is extremly hard, my daughter is in 6th grade primary and she must pass in English, French, and another 5 subjects which are not relevent for her to know them at this stage of her life. The kids are put under a lot of pressure not to mention the extra study hours (after school) they attend so they can be ready when the exams start.
At least I will give them a second choise to try, and if they don`t like it well they can always return.
In my case I`m a person who had and has the opportunity to work from restaurants and take aways to construction building, plumbing, tile laying, and agricolture. See in order to survive in the Greek islands you can`t relay on one profession.
If the crisis in Greece was not present then with extra hard work one can manage to send their kids to a bigger city or even to other European countries for further study, but with this situation which Greece is now i`ts "mission imposible"
For those which don`t know the situation Greece is borrowing every 3 months some billions of Euro, the total amount will be 110 billion Euro, add to that another 180 billion which she owes prior to the new loan, that makes 290 billion Euro in dept.
By 2013 Greece will have the above dept to take care of. And if things are hard now immagine when you start paying back.
Australia ( from my little knowledge) is in a completely different situation. First it has a big enough industry to support herself and other countries, her GDP is no where near Greece`s, her dept is no where near, and the most important her political system is no where near corrupted like in Greece. One example to see the state of burocracy here, if you want to open a cafe here you need up to 700 different pappers and a waiting period of 3 years. I`m sorry to say this but the way polititians run this place it will take a long time before others look at Greece with a good eye.
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Old 11-27-2010, 02:18 PM
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I think we all hope for better government Luthien but I somehow do not think it is going to be so easy and there are going to be many trips and hard falls along rocky roads for some indefinite time into the future.
When you consider something like Manolis states with " Shops are closing every day, companies are moving to Bulgaria and the eastern European countries, the unemployment is raising " and you compare that to the Australian scene it makes for a very uncertain future here.
The reason companies are moving to eastern Europe is the far cheaper labour costs there, possibly even less government regulations etc., but overall just cheaper manufacturing. Europe as a whole though has quite a substantial market for goods in a relatively compact region, probably close on a billion people and take other countries further east and south of the meditteranean and there's another billion or so.
There'll be some changes to what people do but with that size of population is massively self sustaining, generating it's own production demand, a bit like how a major city will generate more employment demand than a small town.

You take Australia on the other hand and we are a much smaller population relatively much more remote and yet our very limited manufacturing has been eroded in recent decades with the far cheaper labour markets of Asia, though we are not so much part of Asia as all the European countries are part of the accumulative whole.
Australia once had agriculture as a huge export base, much of it to Europe but the EU put paid to that and now with the demise of manufacturing, about the one export earning industry is minerals/coal/gas but they are relatively low employer industries.
Australia thus has limited capacity to employ people and there are other problems that are not being addressed because of the nature of government with an environmental component and focus on climate change.
. no nuclear power stations in Australia because coal is so plentiful, cheap and Australians in general just do not want nuclear power.
. some state governments have however privatised power generation and no new power stations are being built because of CO2 emissions scaring and old power stations getting older will start to be unreliable and power demand will before too long outstrip demand very frequently.
. Australia is the planets driest continent and water is a huge problem every time there is a significant drought and they can be frequent enough and can last several years.
You would think the simple enough answer would be to build more dams but No!, the environmental lobby do not like that and so governments are not prepared to build them for fear of being not winning the next election.
So instead they are resorting to desalination plants and what do you meed for them?, just more power, that's all and a heap of it!
. Governments do not like raising taxes and so a lot of public assets get privatised and they make huge borrowings and that with things like a Carbon Tax is just increasing the cost of living astronomically.
There are other significant issues too.
The irony for all this is that many people understand that they need to live within their means but for whatever reason, too many people are so stupid that they will vote for a government that refuses to accept that times are tough and they should be leading the way with living within their means too.
So Australia, once called the lucky country is becoming more and more just like Europe and with a whole separate set of problems is year by year becoming less of the lucky country.
I have read of many immigrants who have come to Australia, even tradespeople from places like the UK and they find it is difficult if not impossible to get work.
So people do need to think very hard about immigrating and have a good back up plan.





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