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Old 04-23-2014, 05:36 AM
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I agree Starhunter. I realise it may seem unfair where there are couples who meet and BAM, know they are right for each other and 40 years later are still happily married. But I think these are in the minority.

So I'd rather see consistent application of rules and criteria. Similarly, I don't think it's right that the No Further Stay condition is applied in some cases and not in others. For example, if the tourist visa isn't intended to be a 'come to Australia so you can lodge your on-shore application' visa, then the NFS should be applied to everyone who is given a tourist visa. That way couples know going into the process what they need to do, not cross their fingers and hope they'll dodge a bullet with this condition.

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See I agree with this too - I'm nodding my head so much in this thread that it may fall off, lol.

I think relationship registration should definitely be available for everyone, but I do think that being able to register and waive the cohab requirement after only a few months is a bit of a joke. Relationship registration should be used as further proof of commitment, but not relied upon to completely negate the cohab requirement.

It's not only that it's unfair to couples who have to jump through the cohab hoops, but it's also unfair to couples who falsely believe that waiving the 12 months living together requirement effectively removes the burden of having to still prove their committed and long term relationship - leading to many applications just simply not being strong enough.

All genuine relationships take time to develop, I do think that it's almost impossible to have established a lifetime commitment with another person after a month, or three months of living together in a married like relationship. How many of these relationships with less than 12 months living together actually go the distance in the long-term? I would love to see some kind of longitudinal study done on partner visa applicants, comparing the longevity of couples with the 12 months vs those who registered after 5 months or less....

My husband and I had 9 months living together before applying, and I can acknowledge that personally I would have wanted longer - it just wasn't really feasible for us. 3 months or less? Even five months or less....forget it!
Just playing devil's advocate here for fun...

Would you do away with the PMV, then? Or would you require married couples to have cohabitation of 12 months too? Both of these groups currently don't require any but the bare minimum of cohabitation to collect enough evidence. (The PMV requires none at all, of course, but once you're married from a PMV you still need to be able to provide joint financial/household evidence that means you should live together for at least a few months).

My husband and I have known each other for seven years... but we've only lived together since I got here in early January. And we'll be applying for the spouse visa hopefully in the next week. Would you make us wait?

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Just playing devil's advocate here for fun...

Would you do away with the PMV, then? Or would you require married couples to have cohabitation of 12 months too? Both of these groups currently don't require any but the bare minimum of cohabitation to collect enough evidence. (The PMV requires none at all, of course, but once you're married from a PMV you still need to be able to provide joint financial/household evidence that means you should live together for at least a few months).

My husband and I have known each other for seven years... but we've only lived together since I got here in early January. And we'll be applying for the spouse visa hopefully in the next week. Would you make us wait?
In your case 7 years is a long time, so even without living together, you do have a pretty good idea of how well you mesh as a committed couple - even online, no one can hide their true selves for that long you know?

I should clarify, that I'm not worried about couples who have long-term emotional relationships for over a year or more before living together. I'm talking about those who meet on WHV, or tourist visas and five months after meeting are applying for partner visas. Yes, in that case....I would much prefer that they wait, if at all possible (and we know that in some cases that isn't possible). Your case is much different. My own situation is different. Many people on here have long term relationship without long periods of cohabitation - all different situations to what I'm talking about.

Even when applying for a PMV, you still have a wait period, and then a period of time to live together before taking the final step, so you have more time to really grow as a couple - and distance doesn't necessarily mean you can't grow as a couple or develop a deep and meaningful bond.

Also, I'm not adverse to waiving some of the 12 months, I do think that there does need to be a minimum cohab requirement - maybe six months is good and the registration can waive the rest. The other difference with marriage is that I find it hard to believe that someone could state they want to register their relationship to waive the 12 months of living together, but "aren't ready for marriage". Relationship registration just seems like an easy loophole for people who haven't demonstrated commitment, either through 12 months of cohabitation, or through getting married. In normal circumstances I don't care if people tie the knot, or live as defacto for the rest of their lives, but how many couples undergo partner visa applications without really, I mean deeply and authentically understanding what it is they are signing up for? (Not pointing any fingers since I can't possibly know who is in that position and yes it's conjecture based on my personal beliefs and ideas).

A new relationship is fun. I can understand how exciting it might be to have an international relationship and how it's easy to get caught up in the romanticism of crossing vast distances for love, etc. But what about when it's all over and reality sets in? Australia is a beautiful country, but to give up your birth country is a deadly serious matter and I believe it sometimes isn't taken seriously enough.

All this is purely my own opinion, and not meant to offend. I love everyone here and I truly want happiness for everyone. I love the idea of love <3

Obviously, same-sex couples have no choice with regards to marriage, but they should be able to get married and I believe same sex couples should still have five months or more of living together.

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Old 04-23-2014, 04:42 PM
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Also (separate post because my last comment was so ridiculously long that it's embarrassing I don't necessarily even believe that 12 months is the magical number at which we know we have met our soulmate. For some they know instantly, and for others they can be with their partners for years before realising they bought a lemon (I'm one of those). There needs to be a measurable yardstick in place for immigration purposes and 12 months seems reasonable.

That being said, marriage like relationship doesn't necessarily mean living together and I fully acknowledge that communicating online or across distance can be just as good for relationship development as sleeping in the same bed, under the same roof. The point I'm trying to make is that with relationship registration, it effectively makes it possible for couple who have not even had the benefit of relationship growth online to apply for a life-altering visa. Meet someone on a WHV in NSW, decide you are totally in love with the person (and it often takes time to differentiate true love from either lust or attachment, especially if there is sex involved) and register your relationship and tada five months later you have a partner visa in the works.

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7 years of knowing someone more than makes up for the lack of cohab evidence and even married couples, I believe should at least have an emotional relationship for a year or more before applying, even if they haven't lived together for very long.

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