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Old 01-12-2011, 01:15 AM
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De facto visa processing time in NZ

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I'm applying for my de facto next week in NZ (Auckland) and was wondering if anyone know how long (roughly) it's been taking to get a visa approved there. I know there are no rules and even the office there says between 5 to 10 months but I was wondering if anyone had a visa approved quickly over there these days....

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Old 01-12-2011, 05:06 AM
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I do know of people in the past that have got partner visas issued very quickly in NZ, even as quick as same day though if NZ are now saying 5-6 months they could be falling into line with something of an offshore global standard, a lot of posts recently being on advice of a 5-6 months processing time.





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Hi Sapucaia,

I just had a quick question regarding your situation - were you scared that when you went to apply for your new tourist visa in NZ that they would say no? What was your plan if that happened - stay in NZ to wait for your partner visa?

I am just asking as I am currently living in El Salvador (also a HR country) with my partner and we planning on applying in June/July for the partner visa (to the Australian Embassy in Washington DC). I would love to be able to spend the waiting period back in Australia instead of here, as I am only on a tourist visa and am not officially allowed to work here although I was under the impression that they would not grant my bf a tourist visa after we apply for the partner visa because he would not be a genuine tourist (can't disagree with that!) So we were thinking of applying for the tourist visa first (hopefully a visa for 6 months) and then submit our partner visa application. I also have concerns regarding this though as
1) I don't know if he will be able to prove strong enough ties to his country in order to prove he will return and
2) I am pretty sure that if they do approve the tourist visa, then it will have a NFS condition on it, in which case I am unsure what we will do when the visa expires if the partner visa hasn't been approved yet - did they give you a hard time in NZ about your new tourist visa? Did you have to show any proof that you were a tourist etc?

I would really love to be able to come home and not spend another year or so waiting it out here! Any info you have would be great!


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Old 03-05-2011, 11:46 PM
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Hi Genga,

I went to NZ to apply for my partner visa and they said they would accept my application and process with the payment but my papers would be sent to Brazil, as I'm from a HR and I'm not a NZ resident. Before I applied though, I told them that I had to go back to Australia because I had no one in Nz and I would like to wait for my visa in Oz. They said I couldn't because I wouldn't be a tourist (which is true) but luckily I had an email from that office saying that I was more than welcome to go back to Oz to wait for my visa and that I could apply for a new tourist visa in case mine was expired. So, I printed this email and back I went to the office, that's when they said they would "exceptionally" give me a tourist visa for 7 months (with no NFS!).
When I came back to Oz I was afraid they would ask me why I was coming back after only a few days in Nz but they didn't.
I've applied for tourist visas here in Australia before and to be honest it's better not being totally honest.... it's horrible thing to say but I remember when I first got here, I had a work visa which was going to expire so I had to apply for a tourist visa (and finally get these 12 months living together) and I filled all the papers saying that, that I had a partner who was supporting me, that we were in a relationship for xxx long and the officer said he would not even accept my app because I wasn't a tourist and that I had to get married if I wanted to stay with my partner in Oz. He gave me no option at all!!! Back I went to talk to another person and I said we could eventually get married (though I didn't want to marry just to get a visa) and for this, I needed at least another 3 months in the country so I could organize everything, so she gave me 3 months (no NFS), after 3 months we didn't get married (because as I said, I wanna have my family here and I wanna enough time to organize a wedding and not have a ceremony to get a paper and get a visa) and I had to apply for another tourist visa. This time, I not even mentioned any partner here, just said I still had money and would love to keep travelling in Oz, they didn't ask for itinerary but for bank statements (which I had in hands) and was given 6 months.
My suggestion is, call Immi office in Washington, DC (where u are applying) and ask if he could apply for the partner visa and then tourist visa so he could travel to Oz with you and you would be sponsoring him etc etc... maybe even send an email as I did (so you have proof). If they say no, all you can do is apply for a tourist visa showing that he's got enough money and maybe a letter of you invinting him (maybe not mention that we are partners, because they will suspect he's gonna apply for another visa while in oz). I would recommend as well, buy a return ticket (refundable or one that you can easily change the dates). To apply for the visa they don't ask for the tkt but itinerary so he can get a quote from a travel agency with the itinerary (return flights). Most likely he will get a NFS on his visa but he could be luck to get his visa before the 6 months but if he doesn't, make sure he goes to Nz a few weeks before his visa expire (coz they won't let him in if he doesn't have a flight back to a country where he has a valid visa) and if they ask anything in NZ just say he's going to apply for a new visa to go back to Oz (that's what I did, coz they asked me why I was going to stay there for only 3 days).
The Immi office in Nz could give him a hard time specially because he has to tell the truth about the partner visa (they would know anyway by the system, I reckon) but I can't see why they would deny.
Hope I can help you and hope was not too confusing... let me know if you have any questions... good luck!


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Old 03-06-2011, 02:12 AM
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Hi Sapucaia,

I just had a quick question regarding your situation - were you scared that when you went to apply for your new tourist visa in NZ that they would say no? What was your plan if that happened - stay in NZ to wait for your partner visa?

I am just asking as I am currently living in El Salvador (also a HR country) with my partner and we planning on applying in June/July for the partner visa (to the Australian Embassy in Washington DC). I would love to be able to spend the waiting period back in Australia instead of here, as I am only on a tourist visa and am not officially allowed to work here although I was under the impression that they would not grant my bf a tourist visa after we apply for the partner visa because he would not be a genuine tourist (can't disagree with that!) So we were thinking of applying for the tourist visa first (hopefully a visa for 6 months) and then submit our partner visa application. I also have concerns regarding this though as
1) I don't know if he will be able to prove strong enough ties to his country in order to prove he will return and
2) I am pretty sure that if they do approve the tourist visa, then it will have a NFS condition on it, in which case I am unsure what we will do when the visa expires if the partner visa hasn't been approved yet - did they give you a hard time in NZ about your new tourist visa? Did you have to show any proof that you were a tourist etc?

I would really love to be able to come home and not spend another year or so waiting it out here! Any info you have would be great!
What Sappuccia describes with
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I've applied for tourist visas here in Australia before and to be honest it's better not being totally honest.... it's horrible thing to say but I remember when I first got here, I had a work visa which was going to expire so I had to apply for a tourist visa (and finally get these 12 months living together) and I filled all the papers saying that, that I had a partner who was supporting me, that we were in a relationship for xxx long and the officer said he would not even accept my app because I wasn't a tourist and that I had to get married if I wanted to stay with my partner in Oz. He gave me no option at all!!! Back I went to talk to another person and I said we could eventually get married (though I didn't want to marry just to get a visa) and for this, I needed at least another 3 months in the country so I could organize everything, so she gave me 3 months (no NFS), after 3 months we didn't get married (because as I said, I wanna have my family here and I wanna enough time to organize a wedding and not have a ceremony to get a paper and get a visa) and I had to apply for another tourist visa. This time, I not even mentioned any partner here, just said I still had money and would love to keep travelling in Oz, they didn't ask for itinerary but for bank statements (which I had in hands) and was given 6 months.
is indicative of how you can get different reactions from Immi people depending on what or how much you say and it is not so much a case of needing to be dishonest but looking at what intent a visa you seek is for.
A visitor or onshore tourist visa is quite simply seen as a visa to be visiting/staying in Australia for longer and if you have funds to show that is possible, that is the most pertinent aspect and if you have some plans to see more of Australia that can be so and that it will mean you will also have an opportunity to extend your relationship with someone is incidental and even if it is raised by an Immi person, you can agree in the sense that it is possible but it is also something for the future - no lies and just enough information.

To answer your questions Genga,
You will not be the first couple in which one has sought a visitor visa after having applied for a partner visa and you could try it the other way around and if by chance a tourist visa is issued without a NFS then best thing to do would be to get to Australia and apply for the partner visa and a bridging visa would then apply when the tourist visa ceased.

If you get the partner application in and then get a tourist visa your situation is a little different to Sappucia's for the partner visa will already be applied for and if a decision has not been made when approaching the end of the tourist visa, the first thing to do will be to see about an onshore extension and given you are awaiting processing of another visa it is quite possible a reasonable result will be obtained.





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Thanks to both of you for your replies.

When it comes time to apply for the Partner visa, our situation is a little complicated, mainly due to the fact that we live in a country such as El Salvador where next to nothing is officially recorded, we live with my partners mum and our house doesn't even have a postal address amongst other things! We will have been living together for 12 months this June, but the first piece of official documentation we have (when we opened our joint bank account) is from August 2010. We will have a statement from my partner's mum saying that we have lived with her since June 2010, but with the state of the rest of our documents, I think it would be safer to wait until at least August so we have a full 12 mths of "hard" evidence.

With this in mind, I would love to wait even longer if the possibility of my partner coming to aus on a tourist visa first is there but am worried about the fact that he is from a HR country and El Salvadorians must have one of the worst track records when it comes to immigration - I think almost every single Salvadorian who has been lucky enough to get a visa to go to the States has overstayed or worked illegally! But then again, Aus is not the US and fingers crossed if he prepares a good application with proof of funds etc a tourist visa is possible.

In regards to the application for the tourist visa though - there is a section regarding relationship status and also Part D - friends and contacts in Australia - Is it better to support the application with details of my friends/family? Or would he be shooting himself in the foot with linking my family and me to his application in case they suspect he may not be a "genuine tourist"?

Thanks again for your help - It's certainly helpful being able to voice the concerns rather than having them swarm around in my head constantly confusing myself!


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Old 03-09-2011, 12:27 AM
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Coming from a HR country it is quite likely that any visitor visa will have a NFS on it unless you have a partner visa in first and they took notice of that but that is not so likely as applying does not always means a grant follows and so an NFS will also prevent getting an extension and thus even with a partner visa being processed, it could get messy like in at least an interim trip overseas being needed until the partner visa is being processed.
Having limited residing together relationship documentation can be a problem for many countries and one thing you may want to do is to contact the Immi Global Feedback Unit [ find them under Contact on the web site ] and put the question to them in a way of asking what will the situation be involving people from countries such as El Salvador with the limitations you face.
At least your email and any response is documentation you can have for your case.

The other possibly more certain alternative and one that the GFU may raise is if you feel committed enough for a long term future, you look at using the Prospective Marriage Visa and I know that may be old hat in a way that not all couples get married these days but regulations are not perfect and Immi still need to have some control.





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Thanks again wanderer.

In understand that this all has the potential to become messy!

Regarding the NFS - does this prevent you from applying from any other kind of visa while the tourist visa is valid? Or does it only prevent you from applying to extend your stay once in australia? We are more than happy to relocate for a few months once the tourist visa expires and if the defacto visa has not yet been approved. Our rough plan would be as below:

June 2011: Apply for tourist visa (stating travel period of 9 mths in the hope that they grant 12mth visa, if not 6mth visa would be fine)
August 2011: Submit application for defacto visa to embassy in Washington DC from El Salvador before flying to Australia (14mths living together and 20mths together).
August 2011: If tourist visa has been granted, fly to Australia together.
January 2012: Based on having received a 6 month tourist visa, if defacto visa has not yet been processed, partner to return to El Salvador for remainder of waiting period or both of us travel through Indonesia for 3-4 months if financially feasible, hence partner being out of the country when defacto visa processed. In the meantime we could also investigate NFS being lifted or another tourist visa being granted on trip to NZ similar to Sappuccia (not banking on this being possible)

My only reasoning for applying for the tourist visa first is that once the partner visa application is in, it's clear as day that he would not be a "genuine tourist" if coming to australia in the interim. I would much rather have him get a tourist visa first, thus being able to at least come to australia for some amount of time, and then we can address the partner visa... if by some miracle the NFS was not included we could even apply onshore...long stretch I know!

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The NFS does apply to all visas and getting it lifted is probably not just next to impossible but Mission Impossible in normal circumstances, about the only exception for a further stay being hospitalisation..

I think your fear of him not being granted a visitor visa once the partner visa has been applied for is somewhat unfounded for Immi know that partner visas can take quite a while so making a visit in the interim is quite acceptable whereas on the other hand if he gets denied a visitor visa upfront and he has not mentioned his relationship with you, it may then not be considered so well with a partner visa being applied for.

If he mentions in a visitor visa first that he has been in a relationship and his intent is to eventually seek a partner visa, that could well be a reason to refuse it.
It's far best to be honest rather than be found out.
You could probably survive in Asia for a few months on what return airfares to El Salvador would cost.
To save a few Bob, it might even be worth looking at alternates to across the pacific flights and seeing if it is possible to cobble together some el cheapo flights through the US and across to the UK and then use Air Asia ex Stansted in the UK for Malaysia and then on to Oz.
Australian Travel Agent : Best Flights Online Travel Agency Australia have just been advertising some cheap flights re AirAsia.

Or maybe some crewing via Do-It-Yourself Sailing & Cruising Database .





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