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Old 01-20-2011, 01:16 AM
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Difficulties proving we have been living together

I have been living in a de facto relationship with my Egyptian partner for the past 13 months but how can I prove this when our names are not on a lease agreement because they don't do that here. Also our names are not on electricity or water bills. My bank statements only show that I have withrawn certain amounts from an ATM or from my credit card at a local bank but do not say what this money is spent on. I can get stat decs from his family and friends to say we have shared a flat here for 13 months but is this enough? I don't think so and the Cairo embassy say we need to show a marriage certificate, engagement and wedding photos but we only have an unofficial marriage certificate not recognised by the Australian government. It is a defacto relationship but they seem to want a "proper" marriage relationship. We could provide certified copies of my passport saying I have been in Egypt since 24 December 2009 but nothing other than what friends and family say about us living together. We also lived together for 5 months in 2008 but again no proof because of how things are done here in Egypt. What can I do? I have to go back to my job in Australia next week. We could delay applying now and I could try to get a job teaching in the Middle East, get married and live together for longer before applying for the partner visa. That would mean leaving a secure, good job in Australia though and living in a country where my partner could find it more difficult getting a job than Australia. We both are prepared to do whatever it takes to be together.

Maybe I should add that we are waiting for documents from a lawyer stating that we have joint ownership of two apartments being built now, a taxi and another car.


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It does indeed sound like you're between a rock and a hard place Julie.
I know quite a few people it seems and mainly women as far as those posting on here about partners having a hell of a time getting a partner visa, some having been to the MRT already.
I do not know if you are able to get an interview with an Immigration Officer in Cairo to discuss how things are done locally there, though I expect they would already have some idea and also whether it does vary for Cairo is a pretty big place if you have been in Cairo and then Egypt itself has many people and different practices.

If you can get an interview I expect that may be your best bet in getting an insight into what their local minimum requirements are, whether or not there is a particular view of unofficial marriage certificates.

And re the flat, if there is no lease in place but still rent paid to someone, can you not get receipts or something.
And what have you been doing yourself in Egypt and do you have some things that will be a reference to where you reside other than statements and likewise your partner.

The other way you may want to consider is the PMV and I think you may have mentioned that in the previous thread and your partner was scared off.
Perhaps he just has to follow through with them and having the earlier background and now having lived there for 13 months ought to be sufficient for a PMV even if you do not have the evidence required for a partner visa.





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Thanks Wanderer. Yes I think I will start preparing for the PMV now and make sure that we prepare more thoroughly this time.


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Old 02-06-2011, 07:13 AM
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Julie, I am in a similar situation, my husband and I are living in Dubai but have no lease agreements, bills or anything in our name, all in his name because of red tape here. We also 'own' a house but its in my name so hard to find hard evidence of our living arrangements for our spouse application. We have a very solid travel history and have been around the world together and also I have a couple of items of correspondence addressed to our apartment (to show I live there even though in husbands name). I plan on using these and a few photos, wedding invitation, and receipts showing expenditure together etc/phone bills showing calls made when we were apart. I hope this is enough but surely officers understand the circumstances with Islamic countries and sensitivities with living together here if not married.

I would suggest you wait for the lawyers documents as owning a house and car together is fairly hard evidence. Can you get a will together also to show your committment? good luck


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