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Quick question -> dd/mm/yy, is the actual day required for Visa paperwork?


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Old 02-10-2011, 01:42 PM
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Question Quick question -> dd/mm/yy, is the actual day required for Visa paperwork?

More specifically:
In the defacto visa application, when they ask things such as,
When did you decide that you wanted to be in a defacto relationship?

Are you expected to give the date ? I can definately say what month and what year, and maybe what week of the month, but I'd feel bad about making up a fake number (eg, 18th).... is it obligatory ?


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Hi Sara M

We had the same problem..with when did we meet..Just put the month and year and at the end of the form it has an addition page which is handy for more complex answers...

It just asks for question number..just put in there that as we blah blah on what was then a insignificant date..ie not xmas/birthday although we can recall the month we can't remember the day...

Q: did you call anyone to say you we're moving in together..tell your mum..relative..close friend..you could ask if anyone remembers!

Oh it would have to be the day you actually started to 'live' together..that's what a defacto relationship is! You can't say we decided to live together in May and moved in together in September..That would make the start of the defacto relationship..September!


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Hi Sara M

We had the same problem..with when did we meet..Just put the month and year and at the end of the form it has an addition page which is handy for more complex answers...

It just asks for question number..just put in there that as we blah blah on what was then a insignificant date..ie not xmas/birthday although we can recall the month we can't remember the day...

Q: did you call anyone to say you we're moving in together..tell your mum..relative..close friend..you could ask if anyone remembers!

Oh it would have to be the day you actually started to 'live' together..that's what a defacto relationship is! You can't say we decided to live together in May and moved in together in September..That would make the start of the defacto relationship..September!
Thanks Seppo, I'm just looking at the form now and it actual asks:
1. When and when did you meet --- ok, we know
2. If it was not in person, where/when did you meet in person -- ok, we know
3. How long after you met did you begin a relationship - ok
4. When did you both make the decision that you both wanted to commit to a long-term de facto relationship ---- we can't pick a day, only the month
5 When did you begin living in a defacto relationship with your partner ---- yes, we know it's the date he came to Aus and started living with me

My problem is question no.4....


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Sarah, choose the blah blah blah approach suggested by Seppo at your peril

One thing Seppo may not be aware of is that visas can be refused very readily for many various reasons, a few years back a report was put out that rejections were averaging over 150,000 p.a and that would be for various reasons, attempted fraud, inaccuracies, incomplete applications or just plain sloppiness.

It would seem the Seppo sloppiness extends to not actually looking at the application form too well for on http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/pdf/47sp.pdf Qs 68 and 69 are two very separate questions, there also being a reference to Booklet#1
It is when people choose to ignore all information that is available to help them that they may have problems with an application, for it is not just booking a train trip.

You will not be canned for not knowing the exact date but if you reckon you have it down to the week, maybe a bit more thinking might have you thinking you were out Thursday or Friday night and discussed moving in together and made you mind up on the Sunday or whatever, a date close enough to the mark being accurate enough or just leave it as the month.

One thing I have suggested from time to time is that people do a dummy or dry run in filling out their application form, a first run enabling them to make up their To Do list and then as you have some concerns like a particular date, you can just jot down a little reminder about what you have entered and so if a question is ever raised by a CO or an interviewer, you will have a reference copy.





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Thanks Seppo, I'm just looking at the form now and it actual asks:
1. When and when did you meet --- ok, we know
2. If it was not in person, where/when did you meet in person -- ok, we know
3. How long after you met did you begin a relationship - ok
4. When did you both make the decision that you both wanted to commit to a long-term de facto relationship ---- we can't pick a day, only the month
5 When did you begin living in a defacto relationship with your partner ---- yes, we know it's the date he came to Aus and started living with me

My problem is question no.4....
I was typing while you posted it's seem but what Form is your Q4. on?





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I was typing while you posted it's seem but what Form is your Q4. on?
It's on Form 40SP, Sponsorship for a partner to migrate to Australia.
On page 7, it asks:
When did you and your fiance or partner make the decision that you both:
1. Wanted to commmit to a long-term spouse or de facto relationship ; or
2. Intended to marry each other?
dd/mm/yy

EDIT: Sorry for re-wording the question in my previous post, yes question 68 on Form 47SP is the same as question 12 on Form 40SP


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Same question and same answer should apply bit I looked on the 40SP too and I'll have to have another look for Q4 seemed a different one!





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Hi Wanderer

Not quite sure what you mean by sloppy? I don't consider being honest sloppy if I've taken the time to make an explanation thus answering the question..But I can see where you're coming from!

We've friends who emigrated to Sydney 2 years ago via defacto, who answered the question the same way and were never asked about it?

I can't see a CO accepting that we decided to live together in January then started to live together in August? when we lived in the same street? If we lived in different countries and a lot of red tape had to be gone through..OK

Thinking it's more dangerous to start to invent dates, than to admit not knowing them? As long as you take time out to explain why you don't know them?


But point taken


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I am not eactly saying invent a date Seppo but if someone has an idea of the week of events it is a step in the direction of clarifying things in the mind and you make a note on the dummy copy.

Where sloppy comes into it is
Quote:
Oh it would have to be the day you actually started to 'live' together..that's what a defacto relationship is! You can't say we decided to live together in May and moved in together in September
your words

And have you read the application form Qs68 & 69 , quite possibly different to what was required in an application two years ago.

And yes Sarah, see the Questions from about Q 10 on and that you are using Q4. as your reference to your query list.





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Thanks both of you. I just wanted to note that it's good that they ask you:
1. When you decided you wanted to live together; and
2. When you actually started to live together.
This is because when you are on the other side of the world, before one of you actual leaves home to live with the other, the decision has to be made and there is no room for second thoughts. My partner and I definately decided we wanted to be in a de facto relationship before we actual could. It makes sense.


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